A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.

The Apologie, Cap. 6. Diuision. 1.

But bicause he hath already so noted vs openly, lest by holdinge our peace we should seeme to graunt a fault, and specially bicause we

can by no meanes haue audience in the Publike assemblie of the Ge∣neral Councel, wherin he would no creature should haue power to geue his voice, or to declare his opinion, excepte he were sworne, and straightly bounde to mainteine his Authoritie: For we haue had good experience hereof, in the last Conference at the Councel of Iri∣dent: where the Embassadours & Diuines of the Princes of Germa∣nie, and of the free Cities, were quite shut out from theire companie. Neither can we yet forgeate, how Iulius y^e thirde, aboue tenne yeres past, prouided warely by his write, that none of our fort shoul be suf∣fered to speake in the Councel, excepte y^t there were some man perad∣uenture, y^t would recante, & chaunge his opinion. For this cause chief∣ly we thought it good, to yelde vp an accoumpte of our Faith in writ∣tinge, & truely and openly to make answeare to those thinges, where∣with we haue ben openly charged: to the end the worlde maye see the partes & fundations of that Doctrine, in the behalfe wherof so ma∣ny good men haue litle regarded theire owne liues. And that al men may vnderstand what manner of people they be, & what opinion they haue of God & of Religion, whom the Bishop of Rome, before they were called to tel theire tale, hath condemned for Heretiques, with∣out any good consideration, without any example, and vtterly with∣out Lawe or right: onely bicause he heard tel, that they did dissente from him and his in some pointe of Religion.

M. Hardinge.

Ye alleage t'woo causes, The first is, lest by holding your peace, ye should seeme to graunte a fault. The second,* 1.1 which ye make more specialie because by no meanes ye could haue audience in the late ge∣neral Councel. Your second cause is false, as hereafter it shalbe shewed. Your first is naught, as that which sheweth youre pride, vaine glorie, and pertinacie. VVel. ye do but as Heretikes before you haue euer done. It must not be looked for at your handes,* 1.2 that ye acknowlege any fault. For that were Humilitie, which vertue al Heretikes be farre from &c. To geue a voice or suffrage, and vtter Sentence definitiue it per∣teineth onely to Bishops. Now ye be no Bishops, but some of you mere laie men, and most of you Apostates.

VVhether the Ambassadours and Diuines of the Princes of Getmanie and of the free Citties there. were at any time vpon any consideration of their misliked demeanour, or for any other iust cause re∣strained from the companie of the Fathers in the late general Councel at Tren••: Againe whether Pope Iulius the third prouided by any write that none of your sort should be suffred to speake in the Councel, the cause of recantation excepted: what ye say touching this mater, because ye say it without proufe. We haue found you in so many other pointes of greater importance so farre to steppe aside from truth. that for this we cannot beleue you. But that your selues by no meanes could haue audience in the Coun∣cel at Trent, and that the Ambassadours and Diuines of the Princes and free Citties of Germanie were from thence quite shutte out:* 1.3 how true that is. I reporte me to the three safe conductes. whiche the three Popes, vnder whom that Councel was holden, graunted forth and confirmed in that behalfe. VVherfore belie the councel nomore, complaining that ye coulde not there haue audience and be heard.

Ye yeld vp an accoumpt of your faithe in writing, ye say. But to whom doe ye yeld it vp? and by whom is it yelded? from whom commeth y^e same? Do ye acknowlege no lauful ••udge, no lauful consilio∣rie in the whole world? Committe ye your whole mater to the temeritie of the people? VVhy haue ye not set your names to the Booke, that conteineth the profession of your faithe, and of your whole conscience.

The B. of Sarisburie.

Here, M. Hardinge thought it answeare sufficient, to vpbraide vs with su∣spicion of Untruthe. How be it I haue no doubte, but both the Truthe, and the Un∣truthe by the particulares wil soone appeare.

First, that al Bishoppes, hauing voice Definitiue, and interest in Councelles, are solemnely sworne in al theire Decrées, & Canons to vphold the Authoritie of y^e Pope, he thought it the wisest way to dissemble it. For it had ben great wante of modestie, to denie it. The fourme of the othe recorded in the Popes owne Decre∣talles,* 1.4 is this; Ego N. &c. Papa••um Romanae Ecclesiae, & regulas Sanctorum Patrum adiutor no ad defendendum, & retinendū, saluo ordine meo, contra omnes homines: IN. sweare, that I wilbe an helper, to defende, and mainteine the Papacie of the Churche of Rome, and ye Rules of the Holy Fathers (y^e Popes) mine owne order saueds, against ol men aliue. But these Rules, & Priuileges of y^e Holy Fathers the Popes are these:a 1.5 That y^e Pope is aboue al General Coūcelles:b 1.6 That his bare wil must be holden as a lawe:c 1.7 That, what so euer he doo, noman may say vnto him, why doo you thus:d 1.8 That his iudge∣ment is more certaine, then the iudgement of al the worlde:e 1.9 That if the whole world geue Sentence in any mater cōtrarie to y^e Popes pleasure, yet it séemeth, we are bound to stand to the Iudgement of the Pope: &,f 1.10 as M. Hardinge saithe, That y^e Pope, what so euer he saie, or doo, as beinge Pope, can neuer erre, These, & other the like be the Priuileges, that the Pope claimeth vnto him selfe. Al which the Bi∣shoppes are bound by oths. & by theire allegeance to defend against al menne aliue.

Now, where you say, that Bishoppes onely haue Sentence Definitiue in the Councel, ye seeme willingly, & without cause to reporte Untruthe. For Pius Se∣cundus being him selfe a Pope, would haue tolde you the contrarie. These be his woordes:g 1.11 Apparet, alios, quam Episcopos, in Concilijs habuisse vocem decidentem: It is plaine, that certaine others biside Bishoppes, had voice Definitiue in the Councelles. Likewise saithe Gerson.h 1.12 Etiam ad Laicos hoc potest extendi: & plus aliquando, quàm ad multos Clericorū: This (Priuilege of geuing Sentēce in Councel) may be extended euen vnto y^• ••aye sort: yea and y^t oftētimes better then vnto many Priestes. But here of herafter 〈◊〉〈◊〉 at large.

But whether we be Bishoppes or no, M. Harding is no competent, nor indis∣serēt Iudge. Fori 1.13 who so wil Iudge vprightly, must be voide of anger, hatred loue, enuie, & other like affections. Whiche Sentence being otherwise profane, is vsed & halowed by y^e Apostolique Legates in thek 1.14 Councel of Trident: Surely the Godly say, y^t, as your Bishoppes doo no part of Bishoppes dewtie, & therefore in déede are no Bishoppes at al: so your late Couente at Trident, what so euer glorious name it pleaseth you to geue it, yet notwithstanding, in déede, & verily was no Councel.

Whether Pope Iulius by his Bulie vtterly embarred the Diuines, & Embas∣sadours of y^e Princes, and frée Citties of Germanie from al audience, & Disputation in the Councel, or no, I report me to Pope Iulius owne Bulle touching the same. His woordes be these,* 1.15 Eri•• Conciliū, vt qui temerè loquuti sunt, aut dicta recantat••••i ve∣niant, aut eorum maudita causa, in executionem iam ordinatarum. Constitutionū Haeretici declarentur, & condemnenturi There shalbe a Councel, that they th•••• haue spoken rashly, ei∣ther may recante theire saieinges, or els without farther hearing, or reasoning of the mater, they may be denounced and condemned for Heretiques, according to the Constitutions already mode.

Likewise saithe Iohn Sleidane,* 1.16 touchinge the Conference had some time at Au∣gusta:* 1.17 In Colloquio frequenter ad initium actionis hoc dicebantinolle se vel tantillum de Opinione, & Doctrina sua decedere: sed quicquid facerent, eo fieri, vt in sententiam suàm nos adducerent: In the Conference y^• was had bitwene vs, and them, they told vs at the firste. that they would not yelde one whit, from theire Opinion, and Doctrine: But that, what so euer they did, they did it onely to the intent, to bring vs to theire Judgement.

I could farther allege Matthias Flacius Illyricus, Iohannis Fabritius Mon∣tanus, Petrus Paulus Vergerius the Bishop of Iustinopolis, to like purpose. But perhaps M. Hardinge would refuse theire Authorities, & cal them partial. Yet in a mater so euident, & so openly knowen, it had ben great folie for them to dissemble. Illyricus saithe,* 1.18 Nostri audiri non potuerunt, quamuis id Amplissimi Caesaris Legati Orarent: Our Diuines, and Oratours coulde is no wise bee hearde, notwithstan∣dinge the Emperours moste woorthie Embassadours hadde desired it. Iohannes Fabri∣tius

saithe,* 1.19 Fateor extensionem fuctam esse ad alias nationes:* 1.20 Sed tamen additur, eam for∣mam non nisi ad illos pertine••e, qui resipiscere, & ad Ecclesiae gremium redire velint: I graunt, the Saue conduite was extended to other Nations: But it is added withal, that the same fourme, or libertie should perteine to none others, but onely to them, that would repe••te, and returne to the bosome of the Churche, And againe he saith, Tantum aburant ab A••ce Di∣sputation̄, vt ne ad vestibulum quidem accedere potuerint: The Diuines of the Princes of Germanie were kept so for of from the high Castel of Disputation, that they could not be suffe∣red to approche to the entrie.* 1.21 Petrus Paulus Uergerius saithe, that the Bishop of Ue∣gla in Dalmatia was 〈◊〉〈◊〉 shaken vp in the same 〈◊〉〈◊〉, and threatened with Depriuation, and other extremities, onely for a litle in••ling of the Truthe.

Now d•• it, what 〈…〉〈…〉 Authorities? Noman is herein so plaine and 〈…〉〈…〉,* 1.22 M. Hardinge him selfe.* 1.23 This is his determinate answeare,* 1.24 and ful resolution in the case:* 1.25 Your reason 〈◊〉〈◊〉 no more to be hearde, onlesse ye repente, and 〈◊〉〈◊〉 your er rours▪ Againe, Our doctrine hath ben approued too longeth be put a 〈◊〉〈◊〉 in these daies. Againe, ••••••••che wicked 〈◊〉〈◊〉, as ye haue made ie, it is lanful, to make, neither 〈…〉〈…〉 Councel, not without Councel. Againe, vve tel you, that your change of religion, and 〈…〉〈…〉 Heresies ought not be haue benne 〈◊〉〈◊〉, nor without the Bishop of 〈◊〉〈◊〉 commanndemente, nor with his commaundemente. These be your woordes, M. Hardinge: This you say, you tel vs plainely••and therefore, I trowe, we must beleue you. And so ye séeme to conclude with the woordes written in the P••••yhete Hieremie:* 1.26 Non audiemus Verbum, quod loquissus es nobis in nomine Domini sed faciendo faciemus omne verbū, quod egredietur ex o••e nost••••: VVe wil not beare the VVoorde, that thou hast spoken to vs in the name of the Lorde: But we wil doo euery Woord, that shal come from our owne mouthe.

Was may therefore say of you,* 1.27 〈…〉〈…〉 Augustine sometimes saide of the Here∣tiques the Donatistes: Cùm omnis 〈◊〉〈◊〉 suspensa expectares, in tanta collectione quid 〈…〉〈…〉 ageretu••: Quare hoc? nisi quia causam suam malam sciebant, & facillime se posse conuin••i, si ageretur, dubitare non poterant? When euery body was looking carefully, what should be doone in so great Assemblie, they (The Do∣natistes Heretiques) laboured what they could, that nothing vtterly should be doone. And why for They knew••theire cause was n••ught: and could not doubte, but that if any conference, or Disputation should be had, they should soone be reproued.

Notes

• * 1.1

  Tvvo causes of making the A∣pologie.
• * 1.2

  I•• Councels any man may shevve his opinion, but none maye geue a voice, or suf∣frage, and Sen∣tence Definitiue, but onely Bi∣shoppes.
• * 1.3

  Three safe Con∣duites graunted An accoumpt of faithe by the Defenders yel∣ded vp in vvri∣ting, vvithout due order in al respectes.
• * 1.4

  Extra. De Iure∣iuran. Ego N.
• a 1.5

  Extra. de Elect. & Electi potest. Singificasti.
• b 1.6

  Extra. de tran¦sta. Episcopi, Quanto: In gloss.
• c 1.7

  Extra. de Con∣cess. Praben. Proposuit. In gloss.
• d 1.8

  Pighius. Li. 6. Cap. 13.
• e 1.9

  9. q. 3. Nemo. In glossa.
• f 1.10

  M. Hardinge, Fol. 334. b.
• g 1.11

  Aeneas Sylui. de gestis Concil. Constātien. Li. 1.
• h 1.12

  Iohan. Gerson, Quae veritates sint Credendae. Corol. 4.
• i 1.13

  Sallust. in bell•• Catilin.
• k 1.14

  Cōcil. Iriden. sub Paulo. 3.
• * 1.15

  Breue Iulij. 3. Citatur à Cal∣uino.
• * 1.16

  Iohan Sleidan▪
• * 1.17

  Lib. 13.
• * 1.18

  Illyri. in Recu∣satione Con. Tri∣tini.
• * 1.19

  Councel of Tridēt.
• * 1.20

  Iohan. Fabriti.
• * 1.21

  Petr. Paulus Nergerius De Concil Trident
• * 1.22

  M. Hard fo. 20.
• * 1.23

  M. H. fo. 〈◊〉〈◊〉. b.
• * 1.24

  M. H. fo. 174. a.
• * 1.25

  M. H. fo. 333. b.
• * 1.26

  Hieremi. 44
• * 1.27

  Augustin. Epi∣s••ola. ••52.