A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.

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A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571.
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Anno 1567. 27. Octobris.
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Jewel, John, 1522-1571. -- Apologia Ecclesiæ Anglicanæ -- Early works to 1800.
Harding, Thomas, 1516-1572. -- Confutation of a booke intituled An apologie of the Church of England -- Controversial literature -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Apologetic works -- Early works to 1800.
Church of England -- Doctrines -- Early works to 1800.
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The B. of Sarisburie.

Yewis, M. Hardinge, it might please you to remember, that Bartholomae∣us Latomus a Doctour of your side confesseth in writinge to al the worlde,* 1.1 y our request touchinge the Holy Ministration vnder Bothe Kindes, accordinge to Christes first Institution, is iuste and reasonable:

That Gerardus Lorichius an other of your owne side saithe, Sunt Psedocatho∣lici, qui Reformationem Ecclesiae quoquo modo remorari non verentur: They be false Catholiques (and this,* 1.2 M. Hardinge, he speaketh of you, beinge one of your owne) they be False Catholiques, that hinder the Reformation of the Churche by al meanes they be hable. He saithe, you be false Catholiques, far contrary to the common opinion: and concludeth in the ende, that the wilful mainteinance and sequel of your Doctrine in this pointe, is, as he calleth it, Haeresis, & Blasphemia pestilens, & execrabilis: An Heresie, and a Blayhemie against God, Pestilent and Cursed;

That others of your de confesse, that this your vse of Ministration vnder one kinde,* 1.3 whiche nowe ye cal Catholique, began first, not of Christe, or his Apostles, or any Ancient Learned Father: but onely of the errour, or, as he better termeth it, of the simple Deuotion of the People:

That Albertus Pighius, the stoutest gallante of al your Campe, graunteth there haue benne,* 1.4 and be many Abuses in your Passe, notwithstandinge ye haue tolde vs far otherwise:

That Pope Pius oftentimes graunted, and vsed commonly to saie, He sawe great causes, why Priestes shoulde be restoared to the libertie of Mariage: That Pope Adrian by his Legate Cheregatus confessed openly at Norenherg in the Ge∣neral Diet of al the Princes of Germanie, that al the il of the Churche came firste à culmine Pontificio, From the toppe Castle of the Pope:

And to be short, M. Hardinge, it might haue pleased you to remember, that your selfe in your first Booke,* 1.5 in the Defence of your Priuate Passe, haue written thus: Mary, I denie not, but that it were more commendable, and more Godly on the Churches Parte, if many well disposed, and examined woulde be partakers of the blessed Sacramente with the Prieste.

Al these thinges, M. Hardinge, be they ses, or Abuses: Reasonable, or Vn∣reasonable: Right, or Wronge: Better or woorse: Be they neuer so wicked, neuer so Blasphemous, neuer so cursed, yet be they stoutly defended stil, and no hope offered of amendement: With what Conscience of your parte, he onely seth, that seth the Conscience. You graunte, ye persecute your brethren, where ye haue the Swerd, and maye persecute: but as Sara did Agar:* 1.6 as Christe did the Iewes: and not otherwise. Verily, M. Hardinge, that Christe, or Sara were persecutours. I haue not greatly heard. But I remember Chrysostome saithe thus: Nunquid Ouis Lupum persequitur aliquando? Non, sed Lupus ouem. Sic enim Caim

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persecutus est Abel:* 1.7 non Abel Caim. Sic Ismael persecutus est Isaac, non Isaac Ismael: Sic Iudaei Christum, non Christus Iudaeos: Haeretici Christianos, non Christiani Haere∣sicos. Ergo ex fructibus corum cognoscetis eos: What, doothe the Sheepe perscute the Woulfe at any time? No, but the Woulfe doothe persecute the Sheepe. For so Caim per∣secuted Abel, not Abel Caim: So Ismael persecuted Isaac, not Isaac Ismael: So the Iewes persecuted Christe, not Christe the Iewes: So the Heretiques persequute the Christians, not the Christiaus the Heretiques. 〈◊〉〈◊〉 ye shal knowe them by their fruites.

S. Augustine saithe,* 1.8 Non eo modo persecutionem passi sunt Pseudoprophetae ab Elia, quomodo ipse Elias à Rege nequissimo: Neither were the Palse Prophetes so perse∣cuted by Elias, as Elias was persecuted by the wicked Kinge. Surely Chrysostome saithe, Quem videris in sanguine persequutionis gaudentem, Lupus est: Whome so euer ye see eioicinge in the Bloudde of persequution, he is the VVoulfe.

But yée pretende greate good wil, and saye, Ye persecute and murder your Bre∣thren for Loue,* 1.9 as Christe persequuted the Iewes. So I trowe, Aristophancs saithe, Philippides tooke a cudgel, and beatte his Father, and al for loue. How be it. M. Hardinge, neither are you armed, as Christe was armed: nor was Christe ar∣med, as you are armed. I must saye to you, as S. Augustine saithe vnto the He∣retiques the Donatistes:* 1.10 Hanc formam ne ab ipsis quidem Iudaeis persecutoribus ac∣cepistis. Illi enim persequuti sunt Carnem ambulantis in terra: Vos Euangelium seden∣tis in Coelo: Ye learned not this fourme of persequution, no not of the Iewes. For they per∣sequuted the Fleashe of Christe walkinge in the Earthe: You persequute the Gospel of Christe sittinge in Heauen.* 1.11 Robert Holcote emonge other his doubtes moueth this question An Amor sit odium: VVhether Loue be hatred; or no. Yf he were nowe aliue, & sawe your dealinge, and the kindnesse of your Loue, I beleue, he woulde put the mater out of question, & saye, vndoubtedly your Loue is hatred, it is no Loue. So Moses saithe, Ismael plaied or sported with Isaac. But S Paule saithe, The same plaieinge and sportinge was persecution. For thus he writeth: He, that was after the Fleashe, persequuted him, was after the Sprite.

I doubte not, but you thinke, of your parte it is wel donne. For so Christe saithe, VVho so euer shal Murder you,* 1.12 shal thinke be offereth a Sacrifice vnto God. And your selues haue sette to this note in greate Letters in the Margine of your Decrees: Iudaei mortaliter peccassent,* 1.13 si Christū nō Crucifixissent: The Iewes had Sinned deadly, if they had not hinged Christe vpon the Crosse. Benedictus Deus, qui non dedit nos in captio∣nem Dentibus eorum: Blessed be God, that hath not geuen vs to be a Praie vnto their Teeth.

To al the reste it is sufficient for M. Hardinge to saye, They be Blasphemous Here∣sies: wicked Actes: Lutheres Heresies, and villanies: Robbinge of Churches: Breaches of Vowes: Pleasely pleasures: Abandoninge of the Holy Sacramentes: Malices, Sclaunders, and Lies. And bisides these thinges, in effecte he answeareth nothinge. Nowe to answeare no∣thinge with some thinge, it were woorthe nothinge.

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