A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.

The B. of Sarisburie.

If the Councel of Chalcedon seeme ouer longe, with better reading yee maie make it shorter. That Dioscorus, Iuuenalis, and Thalassius were al three con∣demned in that Councel, that, yee saie, yee finde not. Howe be it, if ••ee had sought it better, yee might soone haue founde it. One of your owne Frendes of Louaine saithe, that herein yee were toomutche ouerseene. The very woordes, truely re∣corded in the Councel, are these: Videtur nobis iustum esse, eidem poenae Dioscorum Reuerendum Episcopum Alexandriae,* 1.1 & Iuuenalem Reuerendum Episcopum Hierosolymorum, & Thalassium Reuerendum Episcopum Caesariae Cappado∣ciae subiacere:* 1.2 & à Sancto Concilio, secundum Regulas, ab Episcopali dignitate fieri alienos: Vnto vs it seemeth right, that Dioscorus, the Reuerende Bishop of Alexan∣dria, and Iuuenalis, the Reuerende Bishop of Hierusalem, and Thalassius, the Reuerende Bishop of Caesaria in Cappadocia, shoulde be put to the same pounishemente: and by the holy Councel, accordinge to the Canons, shoulde be remoued from their Episcopal dignities.* 1.3 The which woordes yee might also haue founde fully reported in Euagrius.

Likewise also saithe Pope Leo, touchinge the same: De nominibus Dioscori, Iuuenalis,* 1.4 & Eustachij (vel potiùs, Thalassij) ad Sacrum Altare non recitandis, dile∣ctionem tuam hoc decet custodire: Touchinge the names of Dioscorus, Iuuenalis, and Eustachius (or rather, Thalassius) not to be rehearsed at the Holy Aultar (whiche was the Communion Table) yee must keepe this order.

But yee saie, Notwithstanding these Bishoppes were condemned in the Councel, yet the Ciuile or Laie Iudges condemned them not. For they were there (ye saie) onely to see good order, and to keepe peace. This, M. Hardinge, is your owne onely idle gheaste, without any manner further Authoritie, onely grounded vpon your selfe. Cer∣tainely, the woordes of the Councel be plaine: Gloriosissimi Iudices, & amplis∣simus Senatus dixerunt: The moste Noble Iudges, and moste woorthy Senate saide. Likewise saithe Euagrius,* 1.5 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉: The Lordes of the Emperours Councel decreed these thinges.

Neither were the Ciuile Iudges then so scrupulous, to thinke, thei might not deale in Cases of Religion, as it maie wel appeare by theire woordes. For thus they saie: Gloriosissimi sudices, & Amplissimus Senatus dixerunt. De Recta, & Catholica Fide,* 1.6 perfectiùs sequenti die, conuenienti Concilio, diligentiorem Examina∣tionem

fieri opottere, perspicimus:* 1.7 The moste Noble Iudges, and moste vvoorthy Se∣nate saide, Wee see, that, touchinge the Right Catholique Faithe, the nexte daie, when the Councel shal meete, there muste be had a more diligente Examinatione.

And when the maters were concluded, and published, the Bishoppes of the East brake out into fauourable shootes, in this sorte: Iustum, & Rectum Iudiciū Vita longa Senatui: Multi anni Imperatori: Iuste, and Righte is this Iudgemente: Longe life vnto the Senate: Many yeeres vnto the Emperoure. For in al cases, as wel Ecclesiastical, as Temporal, the Emperoure was Iudge ouer al. What so euer the Councel had determined, without the Emperoures consent, it had no force. And therefore bothe the Bishoppes, and other Temporal Iudges in the Councel, vsed oftentimes to suspende, & to staie their Decrees in this sorte: Videtur nobis iustum,* 1.8 si placuerit Diuinissimo, & Pijssimo Domino nostro: Vnto vs it seemeth right, if it shal also like our moste vertuous, and moste Godly Lorde (the Emperoure). In the ende, thei conclude thus: Omnibus, quae acta sunt, ad Sacrum Apicem referen∣dis: So that al our dooinges be remitted to the Emperoures Maiestie. Al whiche woordes are borowed, as the recte, out of the Ecclesiastical storie of Euagrius.

Yee saie, luuenalis, and Thalassius might wel haue a rebuke, for sittinge like Iudges in the Seconde Councel of Ephesus, without Authoritie of the Pope. O M. Harding, either yee are mutche deceiued, and prefume to speake before yee knowe, whiche were great folie: or els yee speake directely against your knowledge, & Conscience, and willingely seeke to deceiue others: whiche were greate wickednesse. Verily, ye might easily haue knowen, that these three Bishoppes were condēned, not for in∣truding vpon the Popes authoritie, as ye haue imagined, but onely for Condem∣ninge other Godly Bishoppes, wickedly, and without cause. The woordes of the Councel are plaine: Gloriosissimi Iudices dixerunt, Vos quidem primitùs docuistis, quia per vim,* 1.9 & necessitatem, in pura Charta Coacti estis subscribere ad damnationem Sanctae memoriae Flauiani. Orientales, &, qui cum ipsis erant. Reuerendissimi Episcopi, clamauerunt, Omnes peccauimus: Omnes veniam postulamus: The moste No∣lse Iud 〈◊〉〈◊〉 lande, yee haue here proued before vs, that yee were driuen by force, and violence, in a ••••anke paper to subscribe your names to the Condemnation of Flauianus of godly me∣morie. The Bishoppes of the Easte, and other Reuerende Bishoppes, that were with them, cried out, VVe haue al offended: VVe al desire pardōne. This in dede was theire faulte, M. Hardinge: Al that you imagine of vsurpinge the Popes Authoritie, is but a fansie. For the Popes Huge, and Vniuersal Authoritie, whereby nowe he clamen••a the whole Iurisdiction of al the worlde, at that time was not knowen.

The same Councel of Chalcedon maketh him Equal in Authoritie, and Di∣gnitie with the Bishop of Constantinople.* 1.10 The woordes be these: Sedi Senioris Romae, propter Imperium Ciuitatis illius, Patres consequenter Priuilegia red∣diderunt. Et cadem intentione permoti Centum quinquaginta Deo amantissimi Epis∣copi, aequa Sanctissimae Sedi Nouae Romae Priuilegia tribuerunt: rationabiliter iudicantes, Imperio, & Senatu Vrbem Ornatam, aequis Senioris Regiae Romae Pri∣uiulegijs frui, & in Ecclesiasticis, sicut illa, Maiestatem habere negotijs: Vnto the See of the Olde Rome, in consideration of the Empiere of that Cittie, Our Fathers haue ac∣cordingly geeuen Priuileges. And vpon like consideration, the hundred and fiftie godly Bi∣shoppes haue geeuen equal, and like Priuileges to the Cittie of Nevve Rome: (whereby is meante the Cittie of Constantinople): For that thei thought it reaso∣nable, that the same Cittie of Constantinople, being nowe adourned with Empiere and Senate, shoulde also also haue Priuileges, Equal vvith Rome the Elder: and haue the same Maiestie, and Authoritie in Ecclesiastical affaires, that Rome hathe.

Thus, yee see, your Pope had not then a Power Peerelesse ouer al the Worlde: but was made Like, and Euen, and Equal in al respectes to one of his Brethren.

Therefore, if the Bishop of Rome were the Heade of the Churche, then was the Bishop of Constantinople likewise y^• Heade of the Churche. And if the Bishop of Romes Povver vvere Vniuersal, then was the Bishop of Constantinoples Po∣vver Vniuersal, as wel as his. For the Councel alloweth as mutche Ecclesiasti∣cal Authoritie to the one Bishop, as to the other.

Nowe, shortely to consider the whole substance of your talke, Firste, yee saie, These three Bishoppes, Dioscorus, Iuuenalis, and Thalassius were neuer condemned in the Councel of Chalcedon: This, yée sée, is One Vntruthe. Secondely, yée saie, The Ciuile Magistrate neuer condemned them. This is an Other Vntruthe. Thirdely, yée saie, Iuuenalis, and Thalassius were rebuked for sitting as Iudges in Councel with∣out the Popes Authoritie. These are tvvoo other Vntruthes. For neither had the Pope any sutche Prerogatiue at that time, nor was this the Cause of theire Condemnation. And yet, as if ye woulde renne vs ouer with terroure of woordes, yée crie out with a courrage, vvhat is Impudencie, what is Licenceous Lieing, what is deceitful dealinge, if this be not?

Touchinge these firy termes, M. Hardinge, I dare not Answeare you. But, as for Plaine lieinge, without a difference, if ye knowe not, what it is, looke through your owne Bookes: & ye cannot faile of it. Verily, it is, to publishe Vntruthes so largely, & so liberally, as you haue donne, onely vpon affiance of the simplicitie, & ignorance of your Reader, without regarde, or feare, of God, or Man.

Notes

• * 1.1

  C••pus. Dialo. 1. pag. 28.
• * 1.2

  Concil. Chalice. Act. 1. pag. 831.
• * 1.3

  Euagrius. li. 2. cap. 4.
• * 1.4

  Leo Epist. 40. Ad Anatolium.
• * 1.5

  Concil. chalce. Actio. 1. Euag. li. 2. ca. 4.
• * 1.6

  Concil. Chalce. Act. pag. 831
• * 1.7

  Dioscorus, Iuuenalis, Thalassius.
• * 1.8

  Concil Chalced. Actio. 1. pag. 831. Euag••i. li. 2. ca. 4. 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉.
• * 1.9

  Concil. Chalce∣donen. Action. 1.
• * 1.10

  Concil. Chalced. 〈…〉〈…〉