A defence of the Apologie of the Churche of Englande conteininge an answeare to a certaine booke lately set foorthe by M. Hardinge, and entituled, A confutation of &c. By Iohn Iewel Bishop of Sarisburie.

The Apologie, Cap. 5. Diuision. 2.

How then, if the Pope haue sene none of these thinges, and haue neuer read, either the Scriptures, or the Olde Fathers, or yet his owne Councelles? Howe if he fauoure the Arians, as once Pope Li∣berius did? Or haue a wicked, and a detestable opinion of the life to comme, and of the immortalitie of the Soule, as Pope Iohn had but fewe yeeres sithence? Or, to encrease his owne Dignitie, doo nowe corrupte other councelles, as Pope Zosimus corrupted the coun∣cel holden at Nice in times paste: and doo saie, that those thinges were diuised and appointed by the Holy Fathers, whiche neuer once came into their thought: and, to haue the ful swaie of Authoritie, doo wreaste the Scriptures, which thing, as camotensis saith, is an vsual custome with the Popes? Howe if he haue renounced the Faithe of christe, & becōme an Apostata, as Lyranus saithe many Popes haue benne? And yet, for al this, shal the Holy Ghoste with turninge of a hande, knocke at his breaste, and euen whether he wil, or no, yea, and wholy againste his wil, kindle him a light, so as he maie not erre? Shal he streight waie be the Headespring of al Right, and shal al the treasures of Wisdome, & Vnderstanding be found in him, as it were laide vp in stoare? Or, if these thinges be not in him, can he geeue a right, and apte iudgemente of so weighty maters? Or, if he be not ha∣ble to iudge, woulde he haue, that those maters shoulde be brought before him alone?

M. Hardinge.

To your howe ifs, and what ifs I coulde sone make an answeare by the contrary* 1.1 And Sir, how if the Pope haue sene al these thinges, the Scriptures, Fathers, and Councels? VVhat haue you then to saie? Is not your tale then at an ende? VVere your matter good, and your selfe wise, you woulde nor so com∣monly vse that weake kirde of reasoning. But to a number of your how ifs, and what ifs, for the rea∣ders sake, to put awaie al seruple, I geue you this answeare.

Gods wisedome (as the Scripture saithe) disposeth al thinges sweetly,* 1.2 and in one instant forseeth the ende,* 1.3 and meanes that be necessary to the end. If he promise any man life euerlasting, withal he geueth him grace also to do good dedes,* 1.4 whereby to obteine the same. VVhom he hath glorified (saith S. Paule) thē he hath iustified and called. So whereas he hath by force of his praier made to the Father, promised to Peter,* 1.5 and for the safetie of the Churche,* 1.6 to euery Peters Successour, that his faithe shal not faile, and therfore hath willed him to confirme his brethren, that is, to remoue al doubtes and errours from them: we are assured, he wil geue him sutche witte, diligence, learninge, and vnderstandinge, as this firmnes, and infallibilitie of faithe, and confirminge of brethren requireth. Shal we stande in doubte whether that happeneth in thinges supernatural, whiche we see to be in thinges natural, that who geueth the ende, he geueth also thinges, that perteine to the atteininge of the ende? If God woulde

promise vs abundance of corne for the nexte yeere to come,* 1.7 what were more folish, then to doubte, and saie like to this Defender, howe if, and what if men wil not til the grounde, nor so we any seede? Doubtles if they so we, they shal reepe if they sowe not, neither shal they reepe. But what? VVe maie gather of the promise of God, that we shal haue not onely faier and ceasonable wether, wherby the fruites of the earth maie proue plentiful, but also that the husbandmen shal emploie theire endeuour, paines, and labour. For the abundance of corne so promised shal not be geuen but to sutch, as til, so we, and truail Euen so wheras Christe hath promised to the* 1.8 Successours of Peter, firmnes of Faithe, to the Apostles and theire Successours the spirite of Truthe, and likewise to Councels gathered in his name: we muste perswade our selues, that nothinge shal wante necessary for the controuersies, tou∣chinge faithe, to be decided.

That you saie of Liberius the Pope, is starke f••lse‡ 1.9 He neuer fauoured the Arians. The moste ye can finde againste him, is, that he was compelled by the greate persecution of Constantius the Empe∣roure, to subscribe to the Arians. Neither is that by the Aunciente writers of the Ecclesiastical stories constantly affirmed but of the chiefe of them not spoken of, where moste occasion was, to signifie it, if it had so ben: of some denied, of some mentioned not as true, but as a false rumoure bruted abroade of him.* 1.10 By whiche rumour it semeth* 1.11 S. Hierome was deceiued, remaininge in the Easte, farre from the places where the Truth might more certainely be knowen. But were it true, that he subscribed, as Peter denied Christ. yet beinge done‡ 1.12 for lacke of Charitie, and not by erroure in faith, wel might that facte be slaunderous to the Churche, but it was not a decre made in fauour of the Arians, neither to confirme that heresie.

That you reporte of Pope Iohn the 22. is likewise moste false. The worste that Marsilius of Pa∣dua, and VVilliam Ockam Heretikes wrote of him to flatter the Emperour Lidouicus of Bauaria, is, that he had taught openly* 1.13 (whiche also is referred to the time before he was Pope)‡ 1.14 that the soules of the iuste see not God vntil the daie of iudgemente. That he had a wicked, and a detestable opinion of the immortalitie of the soule, there was no sutche his opinion, but it is your false slaunder, by whiche your wicked and detestable malice imagined to deface the Churche, and specially the Auctoritie of the holy See Apostolike. No storie of any estimation mentioneth, that he was of that firste opinion, af∣ter he came to be Pope, much lesse that he gaue any definitiue sentence of such matter. But contrariwise, * 1.15 when as he prepared him selfe to goe to the definition of that question, concerninge the seeinge of God, whiche iuste soules haue before the daie of iudgement, as Benedictus theleuenth in sua extra∣uagante saieth, he was preuented by death, so as he might not do it.

You belte Zosimus:‡ 1.16 be corrupted not the Councel of Nice: But signified to the Bishops of Aphrike as∣sembled in Councel at Carthage, the Truthe concerninge the Canons of the Nicene Councel. The same maie be proued by Iulius the first, by the Epistle of* 1.17 Athinasius, and other Bishops of Egypt, Thebats, and Libya, written to Marcus the Pope of the Original of the, 72. Canons of the Nicene Councel, that remained in safe custodie in the Churche of Rome, subscribed with the handes of the Fathers, that at the same Councel were present And what credite was to be geuen to the contrary informatiō of only twenty Canons, that was retourned from the Bishops of Constantinople and Alexandria‡ 1.18 when He∣reikes before had burned the Bookes, where the whole number was conteined, and lefte but those twenty, that al Bookes nowe commonly haue?

If we shoulde alleage Camotensis, and Lyre, you woulde cal them the blacke garde, and set litle by them. First she we vs where they haue that you alleage out of them. M Iuel alleageth that of Cano∣tensis in an other place. But where it is, he kepeth it to him selfe, and of him selfe it is likely it pro∣ceded. For his dealinge is sutche, as any false practise in respecte of him, maie seme credible. Albeit what worshipful Doctour ye meane by Camotensis* 1.19 I knowe not: Peraduenture ye meane Carnotensis, otherwise called Iuo I haue cause to gesse, that so it should be. And yet foure Bookes of sundry Printes bothe Englishe, and Latine so haue. If there be any sutche, as I suppose there is not, he is very obscure, nor worth the naminge.

The B. of Sarisburie.

Here yée saie, And Sir, Howe if the Pope haue seene al these thinges, the Scriptures, the Fathers.

the Councelles?* 1.20 VVhat haue you then to saie? Is not your tale then at an ende? No verily, M. Har∣dinge. I woulde further desire God, to geue him grace, to vse them wel, and to his Glorie. Notwithstandinge your owne Doctoures wil soone put al these your vvhattes, and vvhatifs, out of question. For, concerninge the Popes greate, and high Learning,* 1.21 Alphonsus de Castro saith, as he hath benne alleged before, Con∣stat, plures Papas adeò illiteratos fuisse, vt Grammaticā penitùs ignorarent: It is certainely knowen, that sundrie Popes haue benne so vnskilful in learninge, that thei neuer vn∣derstoode their Grammare. But, Christe hath praied for Peter, and made sure promise, that his Faithe should neuer faile. Therefore the Pope is wise: the Pope is learned: the Pope is Catholique: the Pope cannot erre. Al this, and a greate deale more, the Pope maie claime onely by Vertue of Christes praier. Now therefore, if the Pope shoulde erre, or be in Heresie, he might sue Christe in an Action of Couenante, & require him to perfourme his Promise.* 1.22 So saithe the Prophete Michaeas, Sacer∣dotes in mercede docebant, & Prophetae in pecunia diuinabant: & super Dominum requieseebant, dicentes, Nonne est Dominus in medio nostrum? The Priestes taught the people for hiere: and the Prophetes Prophesied for moonie: and yet they rested them selues vpon Goddes Promise, saieinge, And is not the Lorde in the middes e∣mongest vs?* 1.23 But the Prophete saith, Euery man is a lier: Accursed is he, that trusteth in Man. Your owne Doctour Alphonsus saith, Omnis homo errare potest in Fide, etiamsi Papa sit: Euery man maie erre in Faithe: yea, although he be the Pope.

How be it,* 1.24 that your Vnlearned Reader maie the better consider, how safely he maie géeue credite to your bare woorde, whether the Pope maie be deceiued in Faithe, or no, it maie easily appeare by these fewe Examples. Who so listeth to séeke, maie finde moe. pope Marcellinus offred vp incense, & made Sacrifice vnto Diuelles.* 1.25 Tertullian saithe, Episcopum Romanum agnoscentem iam Prophe∣tias Montani, Priscae, Maximillae, &c. The Bishop of Rome, wel likinge now the Prophesies (or Heresies) of Montanus, Prisca, and Maximilla, &c. Vpon whiche woordes Beatus Rhenanus noteth thus, Episcopus Romanus Montanizat: The Bishop of Rome fauoureth the Heresie of Montanus. Pope Liberius vvas an Arian Heretique:* 1.26 as hereafter it shal better appeare. Pope Honorius was condēned for an Heretique in two General Councelles.* 1.27 In the Councel of Constantinople the woordes of his condemnation be alleged thus:* 1.28 Anathematizari curauimus Hono∣rium, qui fuerat Papa Antiquae Romae: quia in omnibus mētem Sergij sequutus est, & impia dogmata confirmauit: Wee haue caused Honorius, y^t late Pope of olde Rome, to be accursed: for y^• in al thinges he folowed the minde of Sergius the Heretique, and confirmed his wicked Doctrine. Alphonsus de Castro saithe, Anastasium Papam fauisse Nestorianis, qui Historias legerit, non dubitat: Who so euer hath readde y^e stories, or course of time, cannot doubt, but Pope Anastasius fauoured the Nestorian Heretiques. In the very Legende of Hilarius it is mentioned, that Pope Leo was an Arian Heretique. In a Synode holden at Rome against Pope Hildebrande, it is writ∣ten thus, Incendio tradidimus Decreta eorū Heretica: Wee haue burnte their Heretical Decrees.* 1.29 Pope Syluester. 2. was made Pope by Necromancie, and in recompense thereof,* 1.30 promised him selfe both Body, & Soule vnto the Diuel. Huldericus y^• Bi∣shop of Augusta in Germanie, expresseth the Restrainte of Priestes Marriage by these woordes, Periculosum huius Haeresis Decretū: The dangerous Decree of this Heresie. Notwithstanding I haue séene the same Epistle vnto P. Nicolas,* 1.31 togeather with an other Epistle to like purpose, written in olde Veleme of very Ancient Recorde, vnder the name of Volusianus the Bishop of Carthage? But what néede wee to touche al the particulares? The Doctoures of the Great Schole of Sorbona in Pa∣rise, haue determined in theire Articles, that S. Peter him self erred in the Faith. The Councel of Basile condemneth Pope Eugenius by these wordes: Eugenium contemptorem Sacrorum Canonum:* 1.32 Pacis, & Veritatis Ecclesiae Dei perturbatorem noto∣rium:

Vniuersalis Ecclesiae Scandalizatorem: Simoniacum: Periurum: Incorrigibilem: Schis∣maticum: à Fide deuium: Pertinacem Haereticum, &c. Wee condemne, and depose Pope Eugenius, a despiser of the Holy Canons: a disturber of the Peace, and Vnitie of the Churche of God: a notorious offendoure of the whole Vniuersal Church: a Simoniste: a Foresworne man: a man Vncorrigible: a Schismatique: a man fallen from the Faithe: and a vvilful Heretique. Of Pope Iohns Heresie, touching the Immortalitie of the Soule,* 1.33 wee shal speke more hereafter. S. Hierome saithe, Qui Scripturam in∣telligit aliter, quàm sensus Spiritus Sancti flagitat, quo scripta est, licet ab Ecclesia non re∣cesserit, tamen Haereticus appellari potest: Who so euer otherwise vnderstandeth the Scri∣ptures, then the sense of the Holy Ghoste requireth, by whom they were written, (as, it is moste certaine, the Pope in infinite places bothe hath donne, and dothe) although he be not departed from the Churche, yet he maie wel be called an Heretique.

Now, if Idolaters, Montanistes, Arians, Monothelites, Nestorians, Deniers of the Immortalitie, Simonistes, Sorcerers, Maineteiners of Filthinesse, & other Obstinate, and Wilful Heretiques maie erre, then, what so euer M. Hardinge, & his Felowes shal saie to the contrarie, it is easily seene, that the Pope maie erre.

Verily the Councel of Basile saithe thus, Multi è Summis Pontificibus in Haereses, & Errores lapsi esse dicuntur, & leguntur: Certum est, Papam Errare posse: Concilium saepè condemnauit, at{que} deposuit Papam, tam ratione Fidei, quàm Morum: It is reported, and readde, that many Popes haue fallen into Errours, & Heresies: It is certaine, that the Pope maie erre: The Councel hath oftentimes condēned, and remoued y^• Pope, in respecte, as wel of his Heresie in Faith, as of his lewde∣nesse in life.* 1.34 Visellus saithe, Summorum Pontificum quidam pestilenter erra∣uerunt: Certaine of the Bishoppes of Rome haue benne in Pestilente Heresies. Your owne Glose saith, Certum est, quòd Papa Errare potest: It is certaine, that y^• Pope maie erre. An other of your Doctoures saithe, Interdum possit aliquis esse, qui esst à Sede remouendus: vt si esset Foemina, vel Hereticus: sicut fuerunt aliqui: & ob hoc non numerantur in Catalogo Paparum: The Pope maie sommetimes be sutche a one, as maie seeme woorthy to be remoued:* 1.35 as if he were a VVooman, or an Heretique: And cer∣taine sutch there haue benne: and therefore thei be not reckened in y^e Calendare of the Popes. An other saith, Aliqui Papae inuenti sunt flagitiosi, & Haeretici: Somme Popes haue benne founde wicked menne, and Heretiques. An other saithe, Et Papa, & Episcopi sunt deuiabiles à Fide: Both Popes, and Bishoppes maie wander from the Faithe. An other saith, Papa mandans, aliquid fieri, quod sonet in Haeresim, turbat statum Eccle∣siae, & non est ei parendum: The Pope commaundinge any thing to be donne, that soun∣deth of Heresie, troubleth the state of the Churche: and we maie not obeie him. An other saithe, Papa potest else Haereticus, & de Haeresi iudicari: The Pope maie be an Heretique, and of Heresie maie be iudged.

Al these were y^e Popes vndoubted frēdes. But now let vs heare the Pope him self. Pope Pius. 2. otherwise called Aeneas Syluius, saith thus: Quid si criminosus Pa∣pa contraria Fidei praedicet, Haereticis{que} Dogmatibus imbuat Subditos? What if a notorious vvicked Pope teache thinges contrarie to the Faithe, and with Hereti∣cal Doctrine peruerte his Subiectes?

I would not stand so long in so cleare a case, were it not, that M. Harding, al this notwithstandinge, telleth vs so sadly, and biddeth vs beleue it vpon his warrante, that the Pope vndoubtedly can neuer erre. Stanislaus Hosius, y^e greatest stickler of that side,* 1.36 blussheth not to saie thus, Numerētur omnes, &c. Recken al y^e Popes, that euer were, from Peter, vntil this Iulius, that now is: There neuer sate in this Chaire any Arian, any Donatiste, any Pelagian, or any other, that professed any manner Heresie. Yet neuerthelesse, your owne Doctour Alphonsus saithe, Non credo, aliquem esse adeò Impudentem Papae Assentatorem, vt ei tribuere hoc velit, vt nec Er∣rare,

nec in Interpretatione Sacrarum Literarum hallucinari possit: I beleue, ther 〈◊〉〈◊〉 so shamelesse a Flatterer of the Pope, that wil graunte him this Prerogatiue, that he can neuer erre, nor be deceiued in the expoundinge of the Scriptures. Here, M. Hardinge, your owne principal Doctoure Alphonsus calleth al them, y^• mainteine your Do∣ctrine, and saie, as you saie, The shamelesse Flatterers of the Pope. Certainely, I thinke, it maie safely be said: If a mā wil take y^• viewe of al Christendome, he shal not find so many Heretiques in any one See, what so euer, as maie be found in the See of Rome.* 1.37 And, for y^• cause, perhaps. Frāciscus Petrarcha calleth Rome Asylū Haeresum, & Errorū: The Sainctuarie of Errours, and Heresies: And in his Ita∣lian Sonetres he calleth it, The Schole of Erroure, and the Temple of Heresie.

As for Nicolaus Lyra, yée doubte of our dealinge, for that the Printer hath not quoted the place.* 1.38 It maie please you therefore to peruse his notes vpon the xvi. Chapter of S. Mathevve. There emonge other ye shal finde these woordes:* 1.39 Ex hoc patet, quo'd Ecclesia non consistit in hominibus, ratione Potestatis, vel Dignitatis Ecclesiasticae, vel Saecularis: Quia multi principes, & Summi Pontifi∣ces inuenti sunt apostatasse à Fide: Hereby it appeareth, that the Church standeth not in men, in consideration, either of theire Power, or of theire Dignitie, either Ecclesiastical, or Temporal. For many Princes, and Popes haue benne founde to haue straied from the Faithe.* 1.40 Therefore Baldus saithe, Cautela est, quo'd quis dicat, Credo, quod credit Sancta Mater Ecclesia: non, quod credit Papa: It is to be marked, that a man many saie, I beleue, that the Churche beleueth: but not, I beleue, that the Pope beleueth. Yée saie, Christe praied for Peter: Ergo, the Pope cannot erre. But where was Christes Praier then, when so many Heretiques were Popes in Rome? Wil yée saie, that Christe praied for Arians, for Nestorians, for Montanistes, for Monothelites, for Simonistes, for Idolaters, for Necromancers, for Poisoners, for Murthe∣rers, & for Dame Iohane too? Or, that by the vertue of Christes Praier, none of these could euer Erre? Or, y^• the Popes Erroures must goe for Truthe, or his He∣resies be holden as Right Religion, onely bicause you telle vs, that, what so euer he saie, He cannot Erre? O M. Hardinge, I shewed you before, y^• Christe praied, not onely for Peter, but also for al the reste of his Disciples. Origen saithe, as he is before alleged,* 1.41 Num audebimus dicere, quo'd aduersus vnum Petrum non praeua∣liturae sint Porrae Inferorum: aduersus coeteros Apostolos praeualiturae sint? Shal wee dare to san•• y^t the Gates of Helle shal not preuaile againste onely Peter? and that y^e same Gates shal preuaile against al other the Apostles?* 1.42 S. Cyprian saith, Rogabat pro delictis nostris, sicut iple declarat, cùm dicit ad Petrum: Ego Rogaui pro te, ne deficiat Fides tua: Christe praied (not for Peter onely, but) for our sinnes, as he him selfe declareth, saieing vn∣to Peter, I haue praied for thee, that thy Faith should not faile. S. Augustine, expoūding the same woordes,* 1.43 saithe thus: Ego rogaui Patrem pro vobis, ne deficiat Fides vestra: I haue praied (not onely for Peter, but also) for you, yt your Faith shoulde not faile. Chrysostome saithe, Omnis Christianus, qui suscipit Verbum Petri, Thronus fit Petri: & petrus sedet in co: Euery Christian man, that receiueth the word of Peter, is made Peters Chaire: and Peter him selfe sitteth in him.

Otherwise, M. Hardinge, they are not al Peters, that sitte in place of Peter. S. Ambrose saithe,* 1.44 Non habent Haereditatem Petri, qui Fidem Petri non ha∣bent: They haue not Peters Enheritance, that haue not the Faithe of Peter.

S. Hierome saith, Auferet Dominus nomina vanae gloriae, & admirationis falsae, quae versantur in Ecclesia: God wil take a waie these names of vaine Glorie, and false ostētation, that are vsed in the Churche.

Where wée saie, Pope Liberius fauoured the Arians, that, ye saie, is starke false. And yet,* 1.45 yée knowe, S. Hierome is the reporter of that falsehed. But S. Hierome, ye saie, vvas deceiued. In sutche Reuerence, and Regarde yée haue the Doctoures,

and Learned Fathers of the Churche. Yee beleue them no further, then yée liste. I doubte not, but S. Hierome might better saie, M. Hardinge is deceiued. Certaine∣ly? Alphonsus, your owne Doctoure, saith, De Liberio Papa, Constat fuisse Aria∣num: Touchinge Pope Liberius,* 1.46 it is wel knowen, he vvas an Arian. Platyna saith, Liberius, vt quidam volunt, in rebus omnibus sensit cum Haereticis: Pope Liberius, as somme saie, was in al pointes of one iudgemente with the (Arian) Heretiques.

Antoninus the Archebishop of Florence, saith, Liberius Papa consensit prae∣ceptis Augusti (Ariani) vt vnà cum Haereticis Communicaret: Pope Liberius so consented to the Commaundementes of the Arian Emperoure, that he communicated w^t the Heretiques.* 1.47 So saithe louerius in the Abbriedgement of Councelles: So saith Hermannus Gigas: so saith your very Legende, cōmonly called Historia Longo∣bardica. Emong others, Erasmus saith, Ariana Haeresis, & Romanum Pontificē inuoluit,* 1.48 & ipsos Imperatores: The Ariās Heresi entangled, and wrapt bothe Pope and Emperoure. By the Pope namely he meaneth Liberius. Yet you doubte not to saie, S. Hierome was shamefully deceiued, and wrote of ignorance, he knewe not what.

Likewise, yée saie, That weé reporte of Pope Iohn, is moste false. Our reporte is,* 1.49 That Pope Iohn denied the Immortalitie of the Soule: not thorowly, and altogea∣ther, but onely in that he saide, Vntil the time of the Laste Iudgement, the Soule lieth stil, as in a traunse, as doothe the body, vvithout sense of ioie, or paine. Wherein he, not onely withstoode the expresse Woorde of God, but also vnwares quite ouerthrewe his owne whole Kingedome of Purgatorie, which is the grea∣test, & fairest of al his three Crownes. For what auaile his Pardōnes, & Trētalles, if the soule lie stil a sléepe vntil the daie of Iudgemēt, & feele no paine? Verily, after the laste Iudgement, by common consente, there shalbe no Purgatorie. Nowe, if there be no place of Purgatorie, neither before, nor after the laste Iudgement, then maie wée wel conclude, that absolutely, & without doubte there is no Purgatorie. The firste Authours of this erroure,* 1.50 as S. Augustine saithe, were the Heretiques called Arabici. Touchinge Pope Iohns erroure, Gerson saithe thus, Iohan∣nes Papa. 22. decreuit, &c. Pope Iohn. 22. decreed, that y^e Soules of the wicked should not be pounished, before the daie of the laste Iudgemente: whiche erroure the Vniuersitie of Parise condemned for Heresie, and caused the Pope to recante. One of your owne Cōpa∣nions of Louaine saith, Pope Iohn keapte this erroure secretely to him selfe, and neuer had the open consent of the Churche of Rome. And, for better excuse hereof, he saithe,* 1.51 Petrus, non Fidem Christi, sed Christum, salua Fide, negauit: Peter de∣nied, not the Faith of Christe, but, his Faith saued, he denied nomore but Christe. And so, by this prety shifte of your Louanian Diuinitie, yée haue bothe Christe without Faithe, & also Faithe without Christe. Thus, M. Hardinge, it is plaine by your owne Doctoures, & Felowes, y^• our reporte of Pope Iohn is neither a false sclaun∣der, as you saie,* 1.52 nor proceedeth of detestable, and vvicked malice.

For the reste, yée saie, vvee belie Pope Zosimus. He corrupted not the Councel of Nice.* 1.53 For trial whereof, I referre mee selfe to my Former Replie vnto your An∣sweare. Certainely, what so euer learned man wil stande in denial hereof, he must néedes want coloure in his face. The fraude was notoriously found, & detected to y^• whole world by y^• Ancient Learned Fathers.* 1.54 Cyrillus, & Articus, y^• one being Pa∣triarke of Alexandria, the other of Antioche, and was reproued, and published by twoo hundred, and seuenteene Bishoppes, openly in the Councel of Aphrica. The peeuishe forged Epistle, that yée allege vnder the name of the Learned Godly Fa∣ther Athanasius, The fantastical burninge of the Canons of Nice without fire, with other your like childishe vanities, scarcely méete for children to plaie withal, are likewise answeared.

One of your owne Louanian companie confesseth,* 1.55 that in the late Councel

of Florence, the Greekes there made open complainte, that the Bishop of Rome had corrupted the Canons of the Councel of Nice. Alypius y^• Bishop of Tagastā, speakinge hereof in the Councel of Carthage, saith thus: Adhuc tamen me mouet, quoniam cùm inspiceremus Graeca Exemplaria huius Synodi Nicenae,* 1.56 ista ibi, ne∣scio, qua ratione, minimè inuenimus: Yet this thing moueth mee, that when wee examined, and conferred the Originalles of the Nicene Councel, vvritten in Greeke, I knowe not,* 1.57 by what meanes, thiese thinges wee founde not there.

Yet Pope Bonifacius, to saue the Credite of the See of Rome, was forced to saie, and publishe openly, that the saide Alypius, and Aurelius the Bishop of Car∣thage, & S. Augustine the Bishop of Hippo, and two hundred and fourteene other Bishoppes, that had espied, and reueled this falsehedde, were al enflamed, & leadde by the Diuel.* 1.58 And one of your owne suddaine Doctoures of Louaine saithe, Haec o∣mnia, tanquam somnia, tāquam fabulae, tanquam superflua, abolita, antiquata, calcata sunt: Al these Decrees (of these Councelles, of Carthage, and Aphrica) are abolished, and repealed, and trodden vnder foote, as Dreames, and Fables, and thinges superfluous. This, M. Hardinge, is the weighinge of your Councelles. If they like you, they are the expresse Voices of the Holy Ghoste: If they like you not, they are Dreames, and Fables, and thinges Superfluous.

Camotensis,* 1.59 yée saie, is somme woorshipful Doctour, sutch as by our owne iudgement, might passe in y^e Blacke garde. Yet was he a Bishop, M. Harding, in al respectes far better, thē either your Leontius, or your Hippolytus, or your newe founde Clemens, whom yée cal the Apostles Felovve, or your vaine fable of Amphilochius. Yée woulde séeme to finde faulte with the name: & thinke, wée should not haue written, Camo∣tensis, but rather, Iuo Carnotensis. Your gheasse yée shewe vs: but reason thereof yee shewe vs none. Yee might as wel haue saide, Fulbertus Carnotensis, who be∣inge very mutche consumed, and spente with sicknesse, as it is learnedly noted e∣monge other your Verities, for a restoratiue, suckte our Ladies breaste, and by ver∣tue thereof was made whole. Yée might likewise haue gheased, it had benne Io. Sarisburiensis,* 1.60 otherwise called by somme, Rupertus Carnotensis. For he saithe, In Ecclesia Romana sedent Scribae, & Pharisaei: In the Churche of Rome sitte the Scribes, and the Phariseis. But in déede, this Writers name is Iohannes Camotensis, alleged by Cornelius Agrippa. His woordes be these: Angelis praecipiunt: potestatem habent in Mortuos: Vim faciunt Scripturis, vt habeant Plenitudinem Potestatis. Ipse Papa iam factus est intolerabilis. Eius pompam, & fastum nullus Tyran∣norum vnquam ae quauit. Legati Romanorum Pontificum sic bacchantur in Prouincijs, acsi ad flagellandam Ecclesiam sathan egressus sit à facie Domini: Thei saie theire Commaundementes vpon the Angels of God: They haue power vpon the Deade: Thei wreast, and racke the Scriptures, that they maie haue the Fulnesse of Power. The Pope him selfe is nowe becomme vntolerable. No Tyran was euer hable to matche him in Pompe, and Pride. The Popes Legates keepe sutche reuel in Kindomes, and Countries, as if Sathan were sente abroade from the face of the Lorde, to scourge the Churche. This is not your Iuo Carnotensis: It is Iohannes Camotensis: And this is his iudgemente of your Churche of Rome.

Notes

• * 1.1

  VVhat then? Should he ther∣fore be aboue General Coun∣celles?
• * 1.2

  Sadly, and sagely, and mutche to the purpose.
• * 1.3

  Sapien. 8.
• * 1.4

  Rom. 8.
• * 1.5

  Matt. 16. Luc. 22.
• * 1.6

  Vntruthe, fonde, and chil∣dishe: For Christ praied nomore for Peter, thē for others: nor euer made mention of Peters Suc∣cessours.
• * 1.7

  O vvoorthy, & graue reasons.
• * 1.8

  Vntruthe. For Christe neuer entred into sutche couenāte vvith Peters Successours.
• ‡ 1.9

  Vntruthe, plainely repro∣ued by S. Hie∣rome.
• * 1.10

  Sozom. lib. 4. cap. 15. Lib. de viris illustrib. in Chronicis.
• * 1.11

  S Hieromes Authoritie refu∣sed, as a man vvriting rashely, he knevve not vvhat.
• ‡ 1.12

  The Pope de∣nieth Christ, for lacke of Chari∣tie, but not for lacke of Faithe.
• * 1.13

  Vntruthe ma∣nifest See the Ansvveare.
• ‡ 1.14

  Vntruthe. For he helde also, that the Soules of the vvicked shoulde not be pounisshed be∣fore the Iudge∣mente.
• * 1.15

  Vntruthe, cō∣trarie to that M Hardinge said immediatly before. For then he helde this Erroure in the time of his Popedome.
• ‡ 1.16

  Vntruthe ma∣nifestely repro∣ued by the Coū∣cel of Aphrica.
• * 1.17

  These be very vaine, and chil∣dishe forgeries.
• ‡ 1.18

  Vntruthe, vvithout any sa∣uoure of vvitte, or learninge. VVhy shoulde M. Hardinge al∣lege to foolishe Fables?
• * 1.19

  If yee knovve him not, then maie you beste blame your Ig∣norance.
• * 1.20

  VVhether the Pope maie erre, or no.
• * 1.21

  Alphons. contra Haeres. li. 1. ca. 4.
• * 1.22

  Michae 3.
• * 1.23

  Psalm. 118. Hierem. 17.
• * 1.24

  Concil. Tomo. 1. Tertull. Contra Praxeam.
• * 1.25

  Beat. Rhenanus. Hieron. in prae∣fatione de Viris illustribus.
• * 1.26

  Concil. Nicenum 2. Action. 7.
• * 1.27

  Concil. Constan∣tinop. 6. Acti. 13. Alphōs li. 1. ca 4 In Legenda Hi∣larij.
• * 1.28

  Synod. Romana. in Fasciculo re∣rum sciendarum impresso Colo∣niae. 1553.
• * 1.29

  Iohannes Stella Venetus.
• * 1.30

  Episto. Hulderici ad Nicolaum Papam.
• * 1.31

  Erasm. in Anno∣tation. in Epist. ad Galat. Cap. 2. In faciem illi restiti.
• * 1.32

  Concil. Basilien. Sessione. 34.
• * 1.33

  24. Q. 3. Haeresis. In Conc. Constā∣tien. in Appen∣dice, Ca. In pri∣mis. Quinimò idem Iohan. Pp. 22. dixit, et per∣tinaciter credi∣dit, animam ho∣minis cum Cor∣pore humano mori, & extin∣gui, ad instar a∣nimalium bru∣torum.
• * 1.34

  Concil. Basilien. inter Epist. Syno∣dales. visellius. 24. Q. 1. A rectas In Glossa.
• * 1.35

  Iohan. De Pari∣sijs, de potesiat. Regia & Pap. Heruaeus de po∣testa. Pp. Cap. 18. Gerson, Anliceat appellare à Pp. Hostien de Con∣cessione Praebē∣dae. Proposuit. Extra. de Ele∣ctione. Signifi∣casti. Abb.
• * 1.36

  Hosius in Con∣fessione Petri∣couion. Cap. 29. Alphons. Contra Haeres. li. 1. ca. 4.
• * 1.37

  Franc. Petrarch. Epist. 20.
• * 1.38

  Schola di Er∣rori, e Tempio di Eresia.
• * 1.39

  Nicol. Lyra in Matthae. Cap. 16.
• * 1.40

  Baldus de offic. praesid. L. Saepe.
• * 1.41

  Orig. in Matth. Tractat. 2.
• * 1.42

  Cyprian. in O∣rationem Domi∣nicam.
• * 1.43

  Aug. De Verbis Domi. secund. Lucam Sern. 36 Chryso. in Mat∣thae. Homil. 33.
• * 1.44

  Ambros. De Poe∣niten. Li. 1. Ca. ••. Hierony. in So∣phontam. Cap. 1. Pope Libe∣rius.
• * 1.45

  Hieron De Eccl. Scriptorib. In Fortunatiano.
• * 1.46

  Alphons. Contra Haeres. li. 1. ca. 4. Platy. in Liberio. Antonin. Par. 2. Tit. 10. ca. 4. •• 5. Iouerius.
• * 1.47

  Herman Gigas. Historta Longo∣bardica.
• * 1.48

  Erasm. in Anno∣tationib. in Hie∣ronym. Contra Lucifertan.
• * 1.49

  Pope Iohn.
• * 1.50

  Augustin. Ad Quoduultdeū. Gerson in Ser∣mone Paschali. Copus Dialog. 1. Pag. 50.
• * 1.51

  Pag. 51.
• * 1.52

  Pope Zosi∣mus.
• * 1.53

  Artic 4. Diui. 6. Concil. Aphric. Can. 101.
• * 1.54

  An Epistle forged vn∣der thename of Athanasi{us}. The Coūcel of Nice cor∣rupted.
• * 1.55

  In the Replie. Artic. 4. Diui. 6.
• * 1.56

  Copus Pag. 78. Concil. Florent. Sessione. 20.
• * 1.57

  Concil. Cartha∣ginen. 6. Cap. 4. Epist. Bonifacij 2 ad Eulalium.
• * 1.58

  Copus, Pag. 93.
• * 1.59

  Iohan. Ca∣motensis.
• * 1.60

  Hermann. Rid. 10. Sarisburien. in Polycratico. Corne. Agrippa, De vanit. Scien∣tiarum.