A retentiue, to stay good Christians, in true faith and religion, against the motiues of Richard Bristow Also a discouerie of the daungerous rocke of the popish Church, commended by Nicholas Sander D. of Diuinitie. Done by VVilliam Fulke Doctor of diuinitie, and Maister of Pembroke hall in Cambridge.
Fulke, William, 1538-1589.

The 9. motiue is the 29 demaund.

Traditions most certaine. The Apostles were of our religion. * S. Augustine, S. Chrysostome, S. Hierome, S. Cypriane. fasting daies, lent, masse for the dead prayer for the dead confirmed by the Apostles traditions, water mingling mith the wine in the chalice. The Masse made by S. Paule. S. Paule of our religiō.

The true Church (sayth Bristow) hath alwayes had tradi∣tions*beside the Scripture, and what company soeuer was faine to crye for only Scriptures, & to deny most certeyne traditions of the Apostles, their doctrine was heresie and they heretikes. To proue that the church had alwayes traditions beside Scripture, he bringeth in the sayings of S. Paule 1. Cor. 11. 2. Thess. 3. before the Scripture was all written, when it was necessary for the Church to haue much of the doctrine deliuered onely by preaching, yet had they no doctrine of faith, but such as was cōfirmed by scriptures of the olde testament, as is manifest 2. Pet., But for the certaintye of popishe traditions, what proofe hath he? First Basil de sp. sancto cap. 27. sayth Dogmata &c. Matters of doctrine which are kept and preached in the church, we haue partly by doctrine committed to writing, part∣ly by tradition of the Apostles, which are of like force vnto godlines &c. But the same Basil writeth contrary to him selfe and agreeable to the truth, 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉. Page  34 Whatsoeuer is beside the holy Scripture, in that it is not of faith, is sinne. And 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉. he requi∣reth euen newe planted Christians to be instructed in the holy Scriptures, both for their full perswasiō in god∣lines, & also 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉. that they be not acquainted with mens tra∣ditions. Furthermore (sayth Bristow) Augustine, Epi∣phanius & the Protestants them selues, condemne Hel∣uidius for an heretike, for denying the perpetuall virgi∣nitie of Marye the mother of Christ, contrary to the Churches tradition. Nay rather for troubling ye church with contention about that, in which he hath no groūd out of the Scriptures. Now let vs see how they are pro∣ued to be heretikes, that refuse traditions of the Apo∣stles, & are fayne to cry for onely Scriptures. First that Maximinus the Arrian did so, ergo whosoeuer doth so is an heretike, according to Bristowes logike. And yet he belyeth Maximinus, for he refused not traditions of the Apostles, but such wordes as were beside the Scripture, meaning Homousion & such like termes, which were thē newly vsed, but yet conteyned no newe doctrine, but e∣uen that which alwayes was approued according to the Scriptures. The same thing did the decree of the here∣tical Emperour Constantius forbid, & not traditions of the Apostles, of which was no controuersie, betwene the true Christians & the Arrians.

But that the Scriptures onely are of sufficient authoritie to confute heresies, Augustine declareth euen against the same Maximinus lib. 3. cap. 14. Sed nun nec ego Niccnum &c. But now must not I bring forth the councel of Nice, nor thou the coū∣cel of Ariminum, to make any preiudice, but by the au∣thoritie of Scriptures not being proper to ether, but cō∣mon witnesses to vs both, let matter contend with mat∣ter, cause with cause, reason with reason.
Likewise he and his fellow Bishops sayd vnto the Donatists in the confe∣rence of Carthage. Si tantummodo id qu. crerctur qu vel rbi esset Ecclesia, nihil se acturos publicis gestis, sed scriptura∣rumPage  35diuinarum tantummodo testimonijs. If this onely were the question, which or where the Church were, that they woulde pleade nothing at all by publike actes of men, but only by the testimonies of the holy Scriptures.
Yet sayth Bristow, the Apostles were of our religion, be∣cause Chrysostom sayth Ad pop. Antioch. that it was de∣creed by the Apostles, that in the dreadfull mysteries a remē∣brance should be made of the dead. This sayth Bristow, was masse for the dead. How prayers for the dead came in & how at lēgth sacrifice of the masse was applied vnto the dead, I haue shewed sufficiently against Allen lib. 2. ca. 5. If we should admit all thinges to be ordeyned of the A∣postles, which some of the olde writers doe ascribe to their traditions, wee should receiue many thinges that euen the Papistes them selues doe not obserue. As that it is a wicked thing to fast on Sōday, or to pray kneling, that oblations are to be made for mens birth dayes, &c. which with diuerse other superstitions Tertullian fathe∣reth vpon the tradition of the Apostles, as wel as oblati∣on for the dead. De coron. nul. hearing therefore such ma∣nifest vntruths are fathered vpon the Apostles traditi∣on by most aūcient writers, what certainty can we haue of their tradition, without their owne writing. Againe S. Hierom saith it was a tradition of the Apostles, to fast 40 daies in the yeare. If this be true, then is the popish story false, that maketh Telesphorus Bishop of Rome author of that lenten fast. Eusebius sheweth the great diuersitie of fasting before Easter li. 5, cap. 26. saying that some fa∣sted but 1 day, some 2 daies, some more, some 40 howres of day & night, this diuersitie proueth •••• Hierom vntruly ascribeth yt tradition to the Apostles, which should haue bene kept vniformely, if it had any institution of the A∣postles. Cyprian sayth it was our Lordes tradition, that the wine in the communion should be mingled wt water. But the Scripture saith not so, S. Paule wc deliuered that wc he receiued of Christ, saith not so. And yet Cypriā cō∣tēdeth principally for the vse of wine in the cup against the watry heretikes that vsed onely water. It is a cōmon Page  36 thinge with the auncient writers, to defend euery cere∣mony mhich was vsed in their time, by tradition of the Apostles. But the chiefe matter is the masse, which sayth Bristow S. Paule one of our religion made. I maruell whe∣ther Bristow writeth this for fooles to beleue, or for wise men to laughe at. When they them selues make Grego∣ry or Scholasticus, or I can not tell whom, auctor of the canon, and when they write howe euery peece was ad∣ded by what Pope, what impudence is it to say, that S. Paule made the Masse, and to call Augustine to witnesse that which he good man, did neuer thinke of, and much lesse write. Whose wordes Bristow hath mangled and falsified. for thus he citeth them Ep. 118. cap 6. Totum il∣lum agendi ordinem, quem uniuersum per orbem seruat Ec∣clesia, ab ipso ordinatum esse. That by him was ordeyned this order of doing, which through the whole world the Church doth keepe in doing of Masse.
The wordes of Augustine speaking of receiuing the communion, fa∣sting, or before all other meates, are these, vpon the wordes of S. Paule. Caetera cum venero ordinabo. Vnde in∣telligi datur, quia multum erat vt in epistola totum illum a∣gendi ordinem insinuaret, quem universa per orbem seruat Ec∣clesia, ab ipso ordinatum esse, quod nulla morum diuersitate variatur. Other thinges will I set in order when I come. Whereby it is giuen vs to be vnderstood because it was much, that in an epistle he should set forth that whole order of doing, which the whole Church throughout the world doth obserue, that this thinge was ordeyned by him, which is varied by no diuersitie of maners, vn∣derstanding the custome of receyuing the communion fasting, which he sayd before was generally obserued in all places.
But of ordeyning the masse there is no title You see now howe •••• Apostles & especially S. Paule is of Bristowes religion, beside Chrysostō, Hierom & Cypiā.