A retentiue, to stay good Christians, in true faith and religion, against the motiues of Richard Bristow Also a discouerie of the daungerous rocke of the popish Church, commended by Nicholas Sander D. of Diuinitie. Done by VVilliam Fulke Doctor of diuinitie, and Maister of Pembroke hall in Cambridge.
Fulke, William, 1538-1589.

The 4. motiue is the 38. demaund.

Olde heresies. Arrians againe aliue in Protestantes. Proti∣stants be Pelagians, in denying Baptisme to be necessarie for the * saluation of Infants. Her etiques are not Christians.

Page  15 Whatsoeuer was heresie in times past (saith Bristow) * is heresie now also, some opinions holden by the Pro∣testants, were heresie in times past, Ergo, they be heresies now also, so Protestants be Heretiques, and no Christi∣an, but almost Apostataes. But I deny that any opinion holden by vs, was euer Heresie. Yes saith Bristow, the denying of prayer and oblation for the dead was ac∣counted heresie in Arius, both by Epiphanius and Au∣gustinus. True it is, they both following the errour of their times, account it for an errour in Arius, but it doth not followe, that bicause they accounted it so, that it was so in deed, seing neither of them both doth proue it to be an errour by the authoritie of the holy Scrip∣tures, but by the corrupt vsage of their Churches, which had turned thankesgiuing for the dead, into prayers and oblation for the dead And yet the same Epiphanius de∣nyeth fasting and almes to bee profitable to the dead, wherefore the Papistes do now hold the contrarie. Con∣tra Melchisedec sumus Haer. 53. Hee accounteth the hauing of the images of Christ and the Apostles, one of the he∣resies of the Gnostikes, Haer. 27. & many such like things which the Papistes defend for Catholike. The like doth Augustine, wherefore let Bristow aduise him selfe whe∣ther it be a good argument. Epiphanius and Augustine accounted prayer for the dead to be an errour, Ergo, it was an heresie in deede. For an other example of old heresies by vs recyted he bringeth in, That cruell heresie of theirs, against the necessitie of childrens baptisme, wherin they agree with the Pelagians, through which they suffer many thou∣sand poore soules to perish, which can not helpe them selues, while they promise them both life euerlasting, and the kingdome of hea∣uen without baptisme, whereas the Pelagians promised life euer∣lasting only. Who would thinke, that this slaunderous he∣retique had liued so long in England as hee did before he became fugitiue, which lyeth so impudētly without all colour or shewe of trueth? Was there euer any of vs heard to preach of baptisme, as not necessarie for infāts, if they might obteine it according to the institution of Page  16 Christ. But contrariwise, that it is a cruell errour of the Papists, which condēneth infants, who being preuented by death, can not obteyne the outward Sacrament: yet hath this error Augustine and Cypriane to vpholde it. But if Augustine and Cypriane neuer erred, no not a∣bout the doctrine of the Sacramentes, then let their au∣thoritie defend the Papists. But when Cypriane denyed the Baptisme of Heretikes to be any thing auayleable, how many thousand soules both of yong and olde dyd he condemne? And whē Augustine with Pope Innocent holdeth the communion to be as necessarie for the sal∣uation of Infants as Baptisme: how many hūdred thou∣sand soules doth he condemne, or the Papistes destroy, which denye the communiō vnto them? Cyprian lib. 1. Epi. 6. Magno. Augustin. Contra duas Epist. Pelagi. lib. 2. Cap. 4. where he accuseth the Pelagians, as well for affir∣ming the Communion not to be necessarie for Infants, as for houlding, that Baptisme was not needefull for them.

In the 38. Demaunde he chargeth vs with denying prescript fasting dayes, which is falle, when they be pre∣scribed by the Churche of God, and not vsurped of su∣perstition and opinion of merite.

He chargeth vs further with denying of Free Will, and quoteth in the margent August Tom. 6. De fide cō∣tra Manichaeus, Cap. 9 & 10. where in deede Augustine a∣gainst the Manichees affirmeth the Free Will of man, but in his retractations he sheweth, that euen then hee vnderstoode it of the state of Man before his fall, and therefore the Pelagians, whiche were maynteyners of Free Will to remayne in man since the fall of Adam, did slaunderouslie vsurp those his sayings against him and the truth, euen as the Papists do now.

Cùm autem de libera voluntate rectè faciendi loquimur, de illa scilicet in quae homo factus est loquimur. Ecce tam longè antequam Pelagiana haeresis extitisse••sic disputanimus: velut iam contra illos disputa∣remus. Whensoeuer we speake of the Free Will of man to do well, we speake of that Will, in whiche man was made.
Page  17 Behold so long before the Pelagian heresie arose, we haue disputed euē so, as though we had disputed against them. Retract. lib. 1. cap. 9. Now iudge whether if Papistes or we, be more like to the Pelagians. He chargeth vs moreouer, to hold against the merite of single life, quo∣ting Aug. haer. 82. with Iouiaian, which is false, for as Au∣gustine vnderstandeth by merite worthines or excel∣lency, we acknowledge that the state of virginitie is more excellent then of matrimony, in such respects as the Apostle preferreth it. 1. Cor. 7.

Last of all he chargeth vs, with holding against the vowe of single life, quoting Aug. Retract lib. 2. c. 22. where there is no word of any vowe, and much lesse of vowing a single life, in them that can not liue an honest & chast life without mariage. There is mention of certaine san∣ctimoniales holy and deuout women, of whose chastity was no suspition, which leauing their purpose of virgini∣tie, were perswaded by Iouinian to marie. Not we there∣fore, haue reuiued any old heresie, but the Papists haue continued many old errors, reuiued many old heresies, of the Pharises, P•••gians, Anthropomorphites, & ad∣ded many new of their owne, such as were neuer he••d of in the primitiue Church, for six hundred yeares after Christ, as hath often bene shewed at large.