A retentiue, to stay good Christians, in true faith and religion, against the motiues of Richard Bristow Also a discouerie of the daungerous rocke of the popish Church, commended by Nicholas Sander D. of Diuinitie. Done by VVilliam Fulke Doctor of diuinitie, and Maister of Pembroke hall in Cambridge.
Fulke, William, 1538-1589.

The third motiue is the eyght Demaunde.

Name of Protestantes, Nicolaites, Papists, a name of late put on vs by Heretikes. Rechabites, Christians, and Catholikes are all * one. S. Hieroms motiue name, as of Protestantes, Homousians: Name of Franciscanes. &c.

Page  11 Whosoeuer in respect of ye doctrine which they pro∣fesse * (saith Bristow) haue a new name made of some mās name, or otherwise taken up, wherby they terme them∣selues, and are cōmonly termed and knowen thereby, vndoubtedly are heretiques. Therefore Lutherans, Cal∣uinistes, Precisians, Puritanes, vnspotted brethren are heretiques, euen as the Nicolaitanes were. I deny ye con∣clusion. For there are none of vs that terme our selues Lutheranes, Caluinistes, Precisianes, Puritanes, vnspotted brethren &c. The name of Protestants, if any doe vse, is not in respect of the doctrine wee professe, but in re∣spect of a protestation made against the decree of Spire in Germanie. Neither is it otherwise acknowledged of vs, then the name of Nazatites, was of the Apostles, the names of Homousians, Caesarians, & Caecilianists, was of the Christians in the time of the heresies of Arrius & Macedonius, Eunomius, Donatus &c. Paule was accused by Tertullus Act. 24. to be a chiefe Capteine of the he∣resie of the Nazarites, whereunto he answered: This confesse, that according to that way which they call he∣resie, doe I worship the God of my Fathers. That here∣tique which did write the vnperfect worke vpon S. Mat∣thewes Gospel, which goeth vnder the name of S. Chry∣sostome, in Cap.4. Hom. 48. thus writeth of •••• true Chri∣stians. Hęresis Homoousianorum, nō solùm Christi ecclsiae aduer∣satur, sed & omnibus haeresibus non similiter sapientibus. The heresie of the Homousians, is not only aduersarie to the Church of Christ, but also to all other heresies that bee not of their minde. Here note, that the Arrians did giue a newe name to the true Christians, in respect of their doctrine wherof they were not ashamed. For Homousi∣ans signifieth them, that acknowledged the Father and the Sonne to be of the same substance. And ouer this note also: that the Arrian heretique did brag as much of the name of the Church then, as the Popish heretiques do nowe. Basil in his Epist. 73. testifieth the same of the Arrians.

Cęterum & Nicaenam fidem calumniantur, nósque Homousiastas probrosè vocant, propterea quod in ea fide fil umPage  12Dei vnigenitū cum Deo ac patre Homousion confitemur. More∣ouer, they slaunder the faith of the Nicen Counsel, and call vs reprochfully Homoousians, bycause that in that fayth we confesse the onely begotten sonne of God to be of the same substance with the Father.

But Bristow sayth, it is a rule that the ancient Fathers alwayes gaue the people to knowe Heretikes thereby if they had any such name.

Hieronyme Aduers. Lucife∣riā. sayth, Sicubi audieris, &c. If any where thou heare, thē which are sayd to be of Christ, to be tearmed not of our Lorde Iesus Christe, but of some other, as Massionites, Valentinians, Montenses, Camputes, knowe thou, that they are not the Church of Christ, but the Sinagog of Antichrist.
But he belyeth Hierome, for he giueth not the name only as a sufficiēt note, but before the words by Bristow cited, he writeth,
In illa esse ecclesia permanen∣dum, quae ab apostolis fundata, vs{que} ad diem hanc durat. We must tarie in that Church, which being founded by the Apostles, continueth vnto this day. And immediately after Bristowes pretended rule. Ex hoc enim ipso quod po∣stea constituti sunt, eos se esse iudicant, quos futuros apostolus prae∣nunciauit. For euen by this, that they are set afterward, they shewe themselues to be the same, whome the A∣postle foreshewed to come.
By these wordes it is eui∣dent, that Hieronymes rule runneth not onely vppon the name, howsoeuer it beginneth, but of the late spring of Heretikes, whose doctrine being not founded by the Apostles hath a later beginning after them. The names of Franciscanes, Dominicanes, Benedictines &c. whiche certayne sects of Papistes giue vnto themselues, Bristow sayth, they haue not for any speciall doctrine brought in by their Patrones, and therefore they be no names of Heretikes. But I reply, that beside that diuers of these ectes distent in poyntes of doctrine, as the Do∣minicanes and Franciscanes aboute Originall sine. And to omitte the uelphes and Gibellines, dissenting about the authoritie of the Pope and the Emperour, the greatest question in Popery, euen those sectes of Bene∣dictines, Page  13 Augustines, Dominicanes &c. did al take their names, eyther of that man, or that order, whiche they held to be the perfection of Religion, consisting not in keeping the commaundementes of God, as Bristowe like a wyse man affirmeth, whiche all Christian men ought to endeuour, but in keeping the traditions and constitutions of men, standing in garments, in meates, in gesture, in ceremonies, & outward obseruatiōs. wher∣fore they can not so lightly be acquitted of Heresie, e∣uen by Hieronymies owne rule, and last of all by the example of the name of Rechabites, who had their name of their family, and not of any Sect in perfection. The name of Papists (saith Bristow) is lately put vpō vs by heretiks, the like say we of the names of Lutheranes, &c. put vpon vs by them. The saying of Augustine, De vtilitate credendi, Cap. 7. toucheth vs not, that Heretikes dare not denye their names by whiche they are called, for we vtterly denye all names by which we are called, in respect of our Religion, to be drawen from men, and aunswere onely to the name of Christians. And as for the name of Catholikes, which Bristow maketh all one with the name of Christians, being added to the name of Christians to distinguish true Christians from He∣retikes, which are counterfet Christians, we do embrace it: but if from this righte meaning of the name, it bee drawen to signifye a people, whiche by only glorying in that name, despise al true Christianitie grounded vp∣pon the holy and diuine Scriptures, as Bristow seemeth to make it, then is it no better thā a name of Heretikes, and so the name of Catholikes, boasted of by them that refuse to be members of ye holy Catholike Church, turneth to their owne reproch, euen as the name of the Apostolikes was to them, whiche bragged of the name of the Apostles, but were indeed no true followers of ye Apostles, no more than the Papistes be true Catholikes.

In the eyght Demaund, he would know why we call them not Gregorians, or Leonians, of some one Pope, but Papists of the generall name of the Pope. I answer, Page  14 bicause they mainteine not one heresie only of one mā, but a general heresie and Apostasie from Christ, wherof the Pope is ye head, whom no more foolishly then falsly Bristowe saith to haue bene alwayes since the Apostles time. If he presse vs, that we make not dangerous, to ac∣knowledge the name of Protestants, I confesse, yt when nothing is vnderstod by that name, but men which pro∣fesse that true doctrine which we doe, we greatly striue not for the name. S. Paul him selfe openly acknowled∣ged yt he was a Phause, when nothing was vnderstood by the name but one that beleeued the resurrection of the dead, although yt terme of Pharisee was otherwise the name of a sect of heretiques, which mainteined ma∣ny damnable errours, from which the Apostle was most free. Last of all Augustine in Breui. Coll. cum Donatist. Coll 3. dici counteth all these three motiues of the name of Catholoques. Heretiques, and Protestants, to be but dilatorie shifts of the Heretiques, not sound arguments of the Christian Catholiques. Vbi cognitor cùm dixisset, hoc Catholii probare debebuat, ortus est iterù moratorius conflictus, de Catholico nomine & Donatistarum & Caecilianistaris. When the Iudge or Commissioner had said: This the Catho∣liques ought to proue: there arose againe a dilatorie conflict about the name of Catholique, and of the Do∣natistes, and of the Caecilianistes. The Donatistes which were heretiques, chalenged to them selues the name of Catholiques, as the Papistes do against vs, the true Chri∣stians they called Heretiques and Caecilianistes, as the Papistes call vs. Heretiques, Protestants. Lutherans, &c. but these were but dilatorie deuises of Heretiques, to a∣uoyd the true trial, which as the Catholikes in the fore∣named conference confessed, was onely by ye Scriptures.