A retentiue, to stay good Christians, in true faith and religion, against the motiues of Richard Bristow Also a discouerie of the daungerous rocke of the popish Church, commended by Nicholas Sander D. of Diuinitie. Done by VVilliam Fulke Doctor of diuinitie, and Maister of Pembroke hall in Cambridge.
Fulke, William, 1538-1589.
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The 31. motiue is the 41. demaund.

Sending and teaching of all diuine truth. Caluins errors a∣bout the trinitie. The ignoraunce of Protestants. Such was Iew elr ignoraunce also, that Christe is a prieste according to * his Godhead. Vniuersities of Heretiks, & Catholikes. Degrees taken in Vniuersities of Heretiks are ad nihillated. The igno∣rance of Protestants, the cause partely why there be so many Atheistes in England. The Churches learning, wisdome, and continuance. S. Augustines Motiue.

This Motiue conteineth nothing but an immede∣rate arrogant bragge of their studying and teaching of * trueth, with the great learning of their Doctors and Vniuersities: and a proude disdamefull vpbraiding of our Doctors and vniuersities, of much ignorance and lacke of learning. Which comparison if it had beene vttered by a man of excellent learning, had beene the lesse odious, but beeing made by such a blinde Baiarde and blockheadded asse, as is this Bristowe, it is moste intollerable. Caluiue (saith he) through ignoraunce, erred about the Trinitie, saying, That Gods Sonne is〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉that is God of him selfe, whereby it followeth in∣euitably that there be two Gods. For this slaunderous and foolish cauill, he citeth Institut. lib. 1. cap. 13. Num. 23. &c. where is no such word nor matter, but a confutation of Heretikes, that denyed the very essens of the deitie of Christ, he cyteth also Geneb. de trinit. lib. 1. pa. 43. Where if the woorde 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 be vsed, as I know not whether it be, yet vndoutedly no such thing is ment thereby as Bristow bableth. For 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 maye signifie him that is very God himselfe, although begotten of God the father, euē as Gregory Nazianzene in his Booke of the holy Ghost, or De theologia lib. 5. calleth the holy Ghost 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 the Lorde himselfe, whereof it followeth not that there be two or three Lords, or that the holy ghost proceedeth not from the father and the sonne. Likewise he calleth him 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉. Light it selfe and Life: that is very light and very life, and yet he denyeth not Page  89 that he is light, proceeding from light. Wherefore this is an vnlearned cauil against Caluine, who more soūd∣ly, substantially & learnedly hath written of the blessed trinitie, then all the Dunces, Aquines, Alberts, & the whole rablement of Scholemen, of whome Bristow so vainely doth brag, were euer able to attaine vnto, who with their sophistrie and barbarousnes haue rather dar∣kened, then sette foorth the cleere light of those most excellent and diuine misteries. The like impudent ca∣uil, he bringeth against M. Iewel, whome no man I think without laughter can read, to be charged with ignorāce by blūdering Bristow, for affirmiug Christ to be a prieste according to his deitie, whōe the Apostle expresly saith, by his eternall spirit to haue offred himself. Heb. 9. ve. 11. As for the comparisons betweene the Vniuersities of Papistes and ours, how vaine it is, all that be learned & of indifferent iudgement can testifie. And concerning degrees and ciuil titles of dignitie taken in our vniuer∣sities, beeing nothing else but testmonies of their lear∣ning which receiue them, we think them better beeing confirmed by the Princes authoritie, from whom all ci∣dignities euen by ciuil law are deriued, then such as are either giuen or confirmed by the Popes leaden Bulles. The Atheists & other vnreligious mindes in England, are not nourished by the ignorance of the Protestants, but detested by their godly and learned iudgement. But if where there be most Atheists there is greatest igno∣rance, then euen in Italy & at Rome vnder the Popes nose, where be most Atheists of any regiō almost in the world, is greatest ignorance. Where open blasphemies are as common, yea oftentimes in the Popes mouth, as the praises of God are among true christians. What tra∣uller in Italy is ignorant of this, whether he be prote∣stant, Papist, or Newter. Last of all, if the Chuches wis∣dome, learning, & continuance, was S. Augustines mo∣tiue, the folly, barbarousnes, & late shining of the popish Church, is a motiue to make vs think that it is not the church of Christ. For Bristowes brags are not sufficient Page  90 to carry away all credit of learning to popish doctors & Vniuersities, whose orders and readings he doth the ra∣ther commend to be so excellent, that men wc knew him of late, with periury to haue taken degrees in Philoso∣phie, should not meruaile that he is so sudenly transfor∣med into so great a doctor of diuinitie, euē by once hea∣ring the cause of Diuinitie, which he supposeth none of our doctors knoweth what it meaneth, such a goodly matter is 〈 in non-Latin alphabet 〉 whereby a manne maketh moste account of that he hath learned last. But albeit the que∣stion be not of learning but of trueth, yet if it would please the Papists to try the learning of our doctors & Vniuersities, vnder indifferent iudges, I doubt not but they should be found equall vnto theirs, that I say not in many things they should be found superiour.