The 24. motiue •• the 45. demaund.
If the Romaines had not chaūged their religion since * their faith was cōmended by the Apostle, there should be no controuersie betwene vs & them. And if Bristow cā proue by the Apostles writing that he is of their reli∣gion, or that they were of the Popish religiō the strife is at an ende. How farre B•de was of your religion, I haue shewed in the answer to Stapletons fortresse. But he vr∣geth vs to shew, what Pope chaunged their religion, what tu∣mults rising in the worlde thereon, what Doctors withstoode it, what coūcels accu•sed &c. which he saith they can shew in all innouatiōs both great & sinal, that euer by heretikes were at∣tēpted. What an impudent lyar is this Bristow to brag of that, which at this day is impossible to be don, by any mā liuing in the worlde. For of so many heretikes as are re∣hersed by Epiphanius & Augustine, not the one halfe of thē can be so shewed as Bristow like a blind bayard boa∣steth they can doe. But if we say the chaunge was not made al at once we must shew whē euery pece was alte∣red, as they do of our doctrin, of old taught by many old Page 76 heretiks, AErius denying praier for the dead &c. Whereof many are slaūders & lyes, the rest if we can not defend by Scriptures let them be takē for heresies. To the pur∣pose, we haue often shewed and are ready daily to shew, the beginning of many of their heresies, & errors, as of the Popes supremacy in Victor, of prayer for the dead in the Montanists, of their crossing in the Valentinians, of images in the Gnos•ikes and Carpocratians, and so of a great many other errors, which are contrary to the holy Scriptures, by which we first reproue them of falshood, and as stories serue vs, we open their beginnings. And wheras Bristow without all shame, affirmeth that prayer for the dead was vsed alwayes, & citeth Irenaeus among other for his auctor he sheweth nothing but impudency matched with his heresie, for there is no worde in Ire∣neus, to proue that prayer for the dead was vsed of any godly man of his time.
Tertullian a Montanist is the first that maketh any mention of prayers for the dead, & only in such bookes as he wrote when he was an heretike. Whereas Augu∣stine sayth Ep. 119. That ye church of God nether app•o∣ueth, nor keepeth secret, nor doth such thinges as be a∣gainst the faith, and good maners, it is to be vnderstan∣ded of such things, as the church knoweth to be against the faith. For of some thinges the church may be igno∣rant, as Augustine confesseth in his retractations lib. 2. cap. 18.