A retentiue, to stay good Christians, in true faith and religion, against the motiues of Richard Bristow Also a discouerie of the daungerous rocke of the popish Church, commended by Nicholas Sander D. of Diuinitie. Done by VVilliam Fulke Doctor of diuinitie, and Maister of Pembroke hall in Cambridge.
Fulke, William, 1538-1589.

The 20. motiue is the 5. demaunde.

Beginninge with wondringe and gaynesaying of Chri∣stians * then in vnitye, vvhich is Saynte Irenaeus mo∣tiue.

Our religion of Christ reuealed in the fleshe, be∣gan with wondring and gaynesaying of Scribes, & Pha∣risees, * as it is manifest by the historye of the Gospell, Marke 1. yet was not the doctrine of Christ newe or straunge, but newely begonne to be restored, which was by them corrupted, so is the same now wondred at, and gaynesayde by their successors, the Papistes, but of true Christians it is nether wondred at, nor gaynesayde, contrariwise the heresie of Papistes, in manye poyntes was wondred at and gaynesayde by true Christians, whiche Bristowe saythe, we can not proue to be in anye one. For example, I will name one of the chiefest articles which they holde, name∣ly, the Popes supremacye, vpon which all the rest in

Page  68 Eusebius testifyeth, that when Victor Bishoppe of Rome, which was the first that challēged any suprema∣cie tooke vpon him to excommunicate the Churches and Bishops of Asia, about the celebration of Easter: His presumption was wondred at and gainesayde, not only by those Churches and their Bishops, but euen by others neere hand, as by Irenaeus Bishop of Lyons in Fraunce, which sharpely reproued him therfore, more thē two hundreth yeeres after, when Zozimus & other Romish Prelates made claime to a kind of supremacy, in resisting appeale out of Africa, and for that pur∣pose, had counterfaited a decree of the Nicne coun∣cel: They were wondred at and gainesaid by the whole councell of Carthage. The like might I shewe, for wor∣shipying of Images, the reall presence transubstatia∣tion &c. But where hee sayeth that all heresies were wondered at and gainesaide, immediatly after they a∣rose, it cannot be proued. Nor that all was Heresie that was gainesaide by them that were in vnitie.

For the baptisme of Heretikes was gainesaide by Saincte Cyprian and all the Bishoppes of Africa, yet was it none heresie, that Infants might be sauedwith out receiuing of the communion, was gainesaid by In∣nocentius Bishop of Rome, and by S. Augustine and by all the church, that was at vnitie against the Pelagians. August, contra duas epistolas Pelag. ad Bonifacium. lib. 2. Cap 4. Yet was not that opinion then helde by the Pe∣lagians otherwise horrible Heretikes and heresie, but that which the Bishop of Roms & the rest of the known visible church did holde, was an eror whereby you may see, how truely the commaundement of Christe vnto Peter, to confirme his Brethren after his con∣uersion doth giue the Byshop of Rome' power neuer to be deceiued. nor to fall into error. And that the Church may be the piller and stay of trueth, although the chiefe members thereof, and generally all that are knowen to be members thereof may be taken in some particular error.