The answere vnto the nine points of controuersy, proposed by our late soueraygne (of famous memory) vnto M. Fisher of the Society of Iesus And the reioynder vnto the reply of D. Francis VVhite minister. With the picture of the sayd minister, or censure of his writings prefixed.

Other Fathers impudently falsifyed, as if they did denye, what they do most constantly mantayne, and proue. §. 4.

YOW are so bold in your Falshood, as you dare cite the Fathers for your fancy, where ex professo, euen of purpose they dispute agaynst it, and proue the contrary. Pag 85 lin. 26. you say, the gifts of doing Miracles were neuer promised in the Scripture to be perpe∣tuall, and are longe since ceased. Augustin. Retract. l. 1. c. 13. Now S. Augustine doth in that place say, and proue the contrary; to wit, that though Mira∣cles be not now ordinarily annexed vnto the office of teaching and administration of Sacraments, as they were in the Primitiue Church▪ yet Miracles are done, and frequently done, so that they are for multi∣tude innumerable. I neuer meant (saith (a) 1.1 he) as though that now no Miracles are done in the name of Christ, for that in Milan a Blind-man receaued his sight at the Shrine of the Martyrs; and sundry the like miracles my selfe did euen then know to haue been done: In which kind so many are wrought in this our age, as we neyther know thē all, nor can number them we know. How durst you name this testimony to proue Miracles to be ceased?

Also that Miracles cannot be sufficient testi∣monyes of Christian Fayth, as the (b) 1.2 Scripture tearmeth thē, you (c) 1.3 cite Suarez the Iesuit (d) 1.4 saying Haec adulterari possunt, & ita exteriùs fingi, vt nō sint ne∣cessaria signa verae fidei. Miracles may so be adultera∣red and externally falsifyed, that they can not be necessary signes of the true Fayth. Thus you cite Suarez: but how grossely? These be not the wordes of Suarez, but wordes spoken by way of obiection in the behalfe of Protestants for their Paradoxe, That the Church is inuisible. This is then your argu∣ment in Suarez: Without fayth the true Church can not subsist. But there are no infallible, externall, & visible signes of true fayth, seeing euen Miracles themselues may be forged and counterfaite. Ergo the Church cannot be assuredly knowne by visible markes. Suarez having vrged this argument with o∣thers largely, he sayth, (e) 1.5 Notwithstanding all this, we must belieue the Church to be visible. And to the Argu∣ment about Miracles (f) 1.6 he sayth, that though they be not certayne tokens of the sanctity of the person that doth them, yet they are sufficient signes to proue, that true Fayth & sanctify are in the Church wherein they are done. So that what Suarez the Iesuit setteth downe out of Protestants, as to be by him refelled, you produce as the assertion, and do∣ctrine of Suarez.

If you belieue, that God will seuerely punish those that deceaue soules in matter of Religion, by forgery and fraud; I wonder how you did not feare to cite (g) 1.7 S. Chrysostome Homil. 3. vpon the Acts, as affirming, That no Monarchicall and supereminent acti∣ons were exercised by S. Peter, no vassallage or subiection

yielded him by the rest of the Apostles. In your margent you cite these wordes his: Petrus egit omnia, ex com∣muni discipulorum sententia, nihil ex authoritate, nihil cum imperio. Peter did all thinges by common aduise of the disciples, nothing by way of authority and command. Thus you cite S. Chrysostome. Now see, your falshood. He saith not as you cite him, vniuer∣sally Peter neuer did any thing by way of authority and command, but speaking of the electiō of S. Mat∣thias, he sayth, that in this busines he did all by com∣mon aduise, not by way of authority: and then addeth presently, that this not vsing authority was wisedome and modesty, not want of authority in Peter. Behold his wordes so pregnant for Peters Mo∣narchy, as nothing can be spoken more fully. Why doth he (Peter) communicate this busines with them? (h) 1.8 What? Had he not power to make the election him selfe? He might verily haue done it alone, without any question, but he did not, least he should be thought partiall to some one, had he chosen him by this sole authority. And agayne. This was the wisedome, and foresight of this Do∣ctour: He sayd not, We alone are sufficient to teach; and although he had right to appoynt an Apostle, as much as they all had, (that is, he could alone haue done as much, as togeather with them in respect of his emi∣nent power) yet this doing it with aduise, was agreable to the vertue of the man; and because eminency in spiri∣tuall power is not an Honour but Care of subiects, yet wor∣thily (i) 1.9 doth he FIRST before them all EXERCISE AV∣THORITY in the busines, who had ALL THE REST AT HIS DISPOSITION, and will. For this is he, vnto whome our Lord sayd: Thou being conuerted, confir∣me thy Brethrē. Thus S. Chrysostome. Could any thing

••e deuised more full, to shew that Peter had, and did ••xercise Monarchicall authority? specially seing S. Chrysostome in that very place saith further vpon the wordes: Peter rising vp in the midst of the Disciples sayd: (k) 1.10 Behold how feruent is Peter: how he doth acknowledge ••nd oueruiew the FLOCKE COMMITTED to HIM by Christ: How doth he shew himselfe PRINCE & Primate ••f this Quire. Behold likewise the modesty of Iames: He ••ad the office of Bishop of Hierusalem, yet he speaketh no∣••hing. Consider also the singular modesty of the rest of the Apostles, (l) 1.11 how they YIELD the THRONE of Primacy ••nto him, not striuing for it amongst themselues as they ••ad formerly done. Thus S. Chrysostome: which thinges ••re so cleere for Peters exercising Monarchicall Pri∣••acy, and for the Apostles yielding Vassallage vnto ••im, that it is manifest you could not cite this place ••ut agaynst your Conscience, knowing you did but ••elude soules in matters of Saluation, agaynst the ••ruth.

Notes

• (a) 1.1

  August. lib. 1. retract. c. 13.
• (b) 1.2

  Si non opera in eis fecissem quae nemo alius fecit, peccatum non habe∣rent. Ioan. 15.••4. & 5.20. Ego habeo Testimoniū maius Ioan∣ne: Opera enim quae dedit mihi Pater vt fa∣ciam, ipsa te∣stimonium perhibent de me.
• (c) 1.3

  Pag. 112. lin. 24.
• (d) 1.4

  De fide Catholica contra Sect. Anglican. l. 1. c. 7. §. 3.
• (e) 1.5

  Ibid. § 8.
• (f) 1.6

  Ibid. c. 8. §. 9. Non ad cognoscen∣dam singulo∣rum cre∣dentium fi∣dem, sed ad cognoscen∣dam congre∣gationem verè cre∣dentium.
• (g) 1.7

  Pag. 160. lin. vlt. & in marg. lit▪ a▪
• (h) 1.8

  Quid? An non licebat ipse eligere? Licebat & quidem ma∣ximè. Ve∣rumtamen non id fecit, ne cuiquam gratificari vi∣deretur.
• (i) 1.9

  Meritò primus om∣nium autho∣ritatem vsurpat in negotio, vt qui omne•• habebat in manu. Ad hūc enim di¦xit Christus, & tu conuer∣sus confirm•• Fratres ••uo••.
• (k) 1.10

  Quomo∣do cognoscit creditum sibi à Chri∣sto Gregem▪ quam in hoc Choro est princeps?
• (l) 1.11

  Quo pa∣cto conce∣dūt ei solium non ampliùs disceptantes.