Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS, International Issues Subcommittee [Transcript]

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1 that eminent Nobel laureates are willing to say won't ever
2 work and shouldn't be tried. It's a non-starter to talk
3 about anything related to distribution when the prevailing
4 wisdom which I am repeating is coming from people who have
5 not developed vaccines.
6 A Nobel laureate once gave a wonderful talk in
7 Stockholm at the AIDS conference that year about the
8 fallacy of the Nobel Prize. He basically said that the
9 problem with that kind of prize is that it makes people
10 feel that they're experts in everything.
11 (Laughter.)
12 DR. MANN: I would never take anything away --
13 I mean, David Baltimore made tremendous contributions to
14 science, but David Baltimore is not equipped to make
15 tremendous contributions to vaccine development. So the
16 point here is we can't get anybody really thinking about
17 distribution and those issues at a time when the prevailing
18 climate is so darn negative, and it's negative because of a
19 few people. There are some people internationally who are
20 actually rather a parallel to David Baltimore and Harold
21 Varmus in this regard.
22 But again, the question I would encourage you
23 to ask anyone who is engaged in the AIDS vaccine effort in
24 various industrialized countries, ask the question, "How
25 many vaccines have you developed?" If the answer is zero,
26 then that raises other questions about the decision-making

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